Several Catholic outlets around the world – including Infovaticana and Chiesa e postconsilio – have reported that Cardinal Óscar Rodríguez Maradiaga, coordinator of the pope’s “council of nine“, has made some condescending and disrespectful remarks about the four dubia cardinals. The moderate and characteristically gentle Italian journalist and Vatican specialist Marco Tosatti went so far as to say that the elderly Honduran cardinal and papal adviser “attacked” these faithful cardinals “with great violence”.
On 25 March, Maradiaga gave an interview on the Swiss-Italian Radio Television Station RSI’s “Strada Regina” program in which he said the following (translation courtesy of Mr. Andrew Guernsey):
I think, in the first place, that they [the four cardinals] have not read Amoris Laetitia, because, unfortunately, this is the case! I know the four and I say that they are already in retirement. How come they have not said anything about those who manufacture weapons? Some are in countries that manufacture and sell weapons for all the genocide that is happening in Syria, for example. Why? I would not want to put it – shall we say – too strongly; only God knows people’s consciences and inner motivations; but, from the outside it seems to me to be a new pharisaism. They are wrong; they should do something else [in their retirement?]. [emphasis added]
Marco Tosatti has made the following comments about this quote: “It is singular that a cardinal uses such offensive terms about other cardinals.” Maradiaga – who himself is already 74 years old (born 29 December 1942) and thus very close to the official age of retirement – also claimed the following during that same interview:
I think the car of the Church has no gear to go in reverse. It pulls itself forward because the Holy Spirit is not accustomed to go backwards. He always brings us forward. I am not afraid because I know it is not Francis, it is the Holy Spirit who guides the Church, and that, if He has allowed this Pontiff to come, it is for some reason, and we certainly ought to look to the future with hope because, more and more, the Church is God’s, it is not our own. We are only servants.
Infovaticana rightly points out, moreover, that it was this Cardinal Rodríguez Maradiaga himself who made headlines for having worked out easier access to the Vatican for variously progressivist-activist groups, such as PICO (People Improving Communities through Organizing); and this group is openly in connection with further funding from George Soros. As we reported recently, Pope Francis now endorses publicly this same leftist organization PICO. As Infovaticana puts it, Soros also tried – with the help of Cardinal Rodríguez Maradiaga – to influence the pope during his U.S. visit in 2015, advising the pope to be silent on issues such as abortion and to stress, instead, themes such as economic and racial injustice.
OnePeterFive has previously reported on Maradiaga’s dubious track record:
Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga, who is the Coordinator of Pope Francis’ Council of Cardinal Advisors, has claimed that the Second Vatican Council made peace with the formally-condemned heresy of Modernism; headed up Caritas Internationalis while it held a seat on the governing board of a pro-communist, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual organization; has publicly chastised Cardinal Gerhard Müller for being insufficiently “flexible” when it comes to communion for the divorced and remarried; and has said that we are heading towards a “deep and global renovation” of the Church which will “encompass all of the historical dimensions of the Church” and include “transformation of the institutions” – and further claims that his friend, “The Pope wants to take this Church renovation to the point where it becomes irreversible.”
There is perhaps no more potent example than Maradiaga of how how certain social issues — with a decidedly progressive approach — are being given a priority over moral issues in the current leadership of the Catholic Church. In October of 2013, the cardinal also gave talks in Dallas, Texas and Miami, Florida, where he had the following to say:
This situation demands, the cardinal [Rodríguez Maradiaga] insisted, that the Church must “proclaim and testify, as a criterion of sociopolitical organization and education, that all men are brothers; and that, if we are brothers, we must fight for establishing relations of equality and to eliminate [sic] their greatest obstacles: money and power. We have to establish as a priority that those majorities who suffer poverty and exclusion (the last) will be the first. […] If a passion for the last becomes a mobilizing idea and moral force, we will then have the possibility of creating international politics of solidarity, of economic democracy, the assumption of evangelical poverty, attaining the creation of new social subjects, with a new set of anthropological values and a new purpose for both collective and personal life, all inspired in Christ and His Beatitudes. [As quoted from The Wanderer, 11 July 2013 – emphasis added]
It seems that in this new Vatican-driven socio-political reform, the salvation of souls at risk is not, as it were, on the tip of the mind of this professedly progressive cardinal. Moral issues are now often said to have to give way to economic and social issues, or so it now seems. The four cardinals, however, have tried to defend the abused Laws of God about marriage which indispensably help souls, under Grace, to attain to Eternal Beatitude. Cardinal Rodríguez Maradiaga implicitly rebukes them for such zeal and dedication, however, and he does it with contumely and harsh language.
As Professor Roberto de Mattei just recently reiterated his own concern on the Italian website Corrispondenza Romana, the greatest forms of scandal today are: “the advertisements, the fashions, the apologetics of immorality and of perversion, both through the media, as well as through the laws that approve such a violation of Divine Laws as in the legalization of abortion and of same-sex partnerships.” De Mattei has these additional words to say: “The moral opposition between good and evil is being replaced by the sociological opposition between wealth and poverty.”
It would be fitting now if the four dubia cardinals were to request an apology from the haughty and reckless Cardinal Rodríguez Maradiaga. Publicly.
EDITOR’S UPDATE: Andrew Guernsey, our translator for this piece, writes that after viewing the full interview in Italian, he identified another scolding from Maradiaga to the Four Cardinals, which occurs at roughly the 14-15 minute mark:
“…Let us look above all at reality, because to see also if there aren’t many cases of those who are in a second union–we will not enter there because there are many reasons– but that they in a healthy conscience [feel] that their first marriage was not valid and that they have found a new family, they are living in conformity to the law of God, why throw stones? why? Instead of saying, “How are we doing with the new generation because they could prepare themselves better to have a good family. And this is Amoris Laetitia…”
“It happens that so many times the methods that these four brothers [the four cardinals] only look at, [they] who think that they are the bosses of the doctrine of the faith [pensano che sono i capi della dottrina della fede], they don’t look at the very great majority of the faithful who are happy with Amoris Laetitia.” [emphasis added]
Andrew indicates that the bolded section above could also be translated: “who think that they are masters of the doctrine of the faith” or “who think they are in charge of the doctrine of the faith.”
We’ll just let the irony of that accusation sink in.
Blessed be the Risen Lord!….it appears someone must surrender and rise in the Lord?…may Our Lady obtain an outpouring of the Holy Spirit!
Devious, dishonest, and laughable: 3 for the price of 1!
I agree that the Holy Spirit had allowed this Pope. He has allowed him for the purpose of chastising His Church and exposing the rot that has festered within. He must be pruned and cleansed before the final conflict, which seems to be just over the horizon.
Whom the Lord loves, He first reproves…and His winnowing fan is in His hand! His will be done!
Actually if campaigning was going on, it would seem that the Holy Spirit was
left out of the whole process.
The ” final conflict” could be now…. be AWARE… much prophesy is pointing to this being the last days before His return ( Alleluia!!!!)
If interested please go to : twoheartspress.com and read those books… eye opener!!!! If you do and have more questions just ask and I will respond?? In His name,
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I wonder if Maradiaga finds this as frightening as I do.
I doubt he does. And that’s the problem.
Maradiaga would treat it with scorn and contempt! In much the same manner as he regards the ‘dubia’ Cardinals.
I’m convinced that these progressive prelates don’t really believe in anything but Heaven IF THAT. Most of them exhibit non Catholicism.
I’ve termed them secular-materialists with a nostalgia for the transcendent. Unfortunately when they lost their faith they held onto their vocation — I mean their career.
Hear hear, James
Very dishonest and immature commentary from that cardinal!
These words constitute a serious disgrace. Haughtiness, sarcasm, disdain – these traits should never be shown by any Catholic, however lowly, still less a Cardinal.
This is the man, is it not, who presided over the collapse of the Catholic Church in his home country of Honduras (by the way, the nation with the highest murder rate in the world) so that, for the first time since the Faith arrived in the Americas, a Latin American country has a minority of Catholics, the majority in Honduras now belonging to the protestant sects.
A disgrace of a man, a failure as a pastor, quite plainly a heretic – one who embraces Modernism, a condemned heresy. And in claiming the Holy Ghost for this Pontificate’s disasters, he insults every Catholic on the planet.
A disgusting individual, a real piece of work.
I’ve long thought that Shakespeare used the word “work” as a euphemism for “shit”.
The glories of the English language, with all the bad words pure Anglo-Saxon. They must have been a rough lot – yet gave us Aelfred the Great, Aethelstan, myriad Saints and the men who converted the pagan Netherlands and Germany.
A “piece of work” What a marvelous, seemingly nonsensical but ‘pregnant with meaning’ expression.
In former gentler times the faithful could at least expect the true shepherds and civic authorities to come to the defence of the faith and their souls by burning such antinomian heretics at the stake. In the sad violent times in which we live, the “shepherds” are content to let such ravening wolves wreak their havoc among the flock and wider society with nary a word said.
At what point do the supine hirelings who remain silent in the face of such spiritual terrorism share the culpability of men like this who openly blaspheme the Holy Ghost?
That’s a question I’ll be happy to leave to God , Reverend Deacon.
At least we can take heart because the dubia question isn’t dead, and perhaps is coming to a head soon. This after all is a pre-emptive attack.
My response to this is, big whoop. Nothing anyone could say to these men would cause them to lose more face than their own inaction.
Hi Brian, not sure what you mean by “big whoop”. Is this an Americanism?
Yes, a slang expression for “who cares?” (Or words to that effect.)
He defies God, the unchangeable Holy Faith and moral law
What a scumbag.
Haven`t heard that word for a while. Perfect.
Dear BM,
I my own post related to this article, I am critical of the “church-of-the-world” that the modernist Cardinal seems to favour. But nevertheless, we have to avoid nasty name-calling, lest we ourselves reflect not Jesus Christ, but rather the same haughtiness and scorn of which the Cardinal seems guilty in his description of the 4 dubbia Cardinals.
Peace be with you!
Your brother in Christ and the Holy Family,
Clinton
Agree with TGS…..this man is serious trouble for the Catholic Church. My sister and
I first noticed it when he made several speeches here in America a couple of years
ago……very disturbing …Catholic groups actually clapping and cheering for
his anti Catholic commie ideas.
Just like to note that the pope can’t find time to meet with four princes of the Church. Here are just some of the public meetings that have been reported.
Apr 19, 2017 – Bill O’Reilly – huh?
Apr 13, 2017 – homosexual Mo Rocca – gays to front of the line
Apr 5, 2017 – UK Muslim leaders – non-Catholics don’t need an appointment
Mar 16, 2017 – Peruvian man, Duannie Pinto Gonzales, who has requested assisted suicide in Switzerland.
(no he didn’t try to talk him out of it. he just embraced him and listened. isn’t that sweet?)
Mar 27, 2017 – 80000 teenagers in Milan
Apr 11, 2017 – Rome’s ‘Bambino Gesù’ children’s hospital
Mar 20, 2017 – Rwandan President
Mar 25, 2017 – immigrants
Mar 24, 2017 – EU leaders
Mar 2, 2017? – Rebecca A. Rose, a music teacher at Case Middle School ?
Mar 15 2017 – President of Lebanon
Mar 27, 2017 – Fiji President
Mar 23, 2017 – Marta Santos Pais, Special Representative of the Secretary-General of UN
Mar 21, 2017 – Archbishop Martin Currie
Apr 13, 2017 – Prisoners
Mar 17, 2017 – Canada Atlantic Bishops
Mar 20, 2017 – Bishops of El Salvador
Mar 20, 2017 – families of the 13 Erasmus students killed in a car accident.
Apr 5, 2017 – Prince Charles
Mar 27, 2017 – Bishops of Western Canada
We all know he’s just afraid of a one-on-one with an actual man of God, much less 4.
“Know also this, that, in the last days, shall come dangerous times. Men shall be lovers of themselves, covetous, haughty, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, wicked, Without affection, without peace, slanderers, incontinent, unmerciful, without kindness, Traitors, stubborn, puffed up, and lovers of pleasures more than of God: Having an appearance indeed of godliness, but denying the power thereof. Now these avoid. “
This man is an idiot. However it just underlines that the correction of the Pope (and by default his courtiers like this joker) is needed urgently. Come on!!
Everything really is down the toilet at this point. The only thing to hold out hope for is when there is breaking news that Pope Francis has died.
Well, he is down to one lung.
Well, let’s pray for his reform.
Of all the Bergoglian sycophants Maradiaga is particularly vile.
He is profoundly disoriented cognitively, morally and, now this with this display, one can infer emotionally.
But then, look with whom he keeps company.
The lot of them appear to becoming unhinged.
Perhaps this is a good sign?
One wonders how Ss. Ignatius and John Bosco reflect on what hails from their once noble congregations.
How much are YOU going to put into Peter’s Pence this year? Bwaahaaahaaaa!
NOTHING-which is what I have done since the second year of this travesty of a pontificate
+1 Nothing. But haven’t wasted my money on anything that the diocese, the USCCB sponsor for years.
No need for me to support organizations that harbor pro-abortion pseudo Catholics.
Amen
Burke, Caffara, Brandmueller, Meisner = docility, meekness like their Lamb, contemplatives, poor in spirit, faithful, truth spoken in charity.
Maradiaga = arrogant, loud, provoker, restless, angry, dissenter, confuses, worldly, focused on earthly kingdom via socialism,, disrespectful, uncharitable.
Yes, exactly. And which of them is more like Our Lord Jesus Christ?
When these Modernists spout on about building a Church on the Beatitudes, you can be sure that compassion and charity are one million miles away. It’s always the case, isn’t it, with these liberal-progressives? They talk about compassion but have none: it’s all resentment and nothing else. What pygmies they are – intellectually, culturally, morally.
Throughout Holy Week I kept hearing…”He gave his back to them..” That went deep into my soul. I see the four Cardinals as mirrors of “he gave his back to them.”
I don’t know about that.
When Christ’s Father’s house was being in effect, pillaged and the true “poor in spirit” were being abused He got pretty agitated.
We have seen the Temple ransacked for 50 years and gentle and sweet and mild and effete is what we get from these guys?
I guess what I’m saying is there is a time for Lamb-like meekness and then there is a time to defend the Lambs like a Good Shepherd would.
“A time of love, and a time of hatred. A time of war, and a time of peace.” Eccl 3:8
Indeed, Rod, and I am hardly a shrinking violet myself. But I think the four Cardinals will act. We must pray for them and be patient.
A failed pastor whose Church in Latin America has become a minority thinks he can lecture others! Dirty man.
My reliance on “ex opere operato” is wearing thin. How can one attest to communion of heart and mind (in Christ) with such renegades?
“if [the Holy Spirit] has allowed this Pontiff to come, it is for some reason.” I think we’re all agreed on that point. But as for the “reason”, most of us would differ enormously with Maradiaga. The reason is, in all likelihood, to accelerate the climax of the greatest ever crisis in the history of the Church, all the sooner to remove the detritus once and for all.
My heart kept sinking as I read your post.
Have mercy on us, O Lord, have mercy on us! Since we have no defense, we sinners offer this supplication to You, our Master: Have mercy on us!
Troparion, Tone 6
I think this Cardinal is out of touch with the political climate in America. He seems to think American conservatives support the Neocon interventions abroad under Bush, Obama and now Trump. In fact, most conservative American Catholics I know opposed the Neocon interventions of the past two decades. We opposed Obama’s Arab Spring, we opposed the violent Neocon coup against Yanukovych in Ukraine, we oppose the rape and murder of Syria by the Freemason West and their Islamic proxy “rebels,” and we oppose Trump’s sudden 180 on Foreign Policy and his illegal, unjust and reckless bombing of Assad (who happens to enjoy the full support of real Syrians as well as the Catholic bishops in Syria). How easily this Cardinal forgets that it was conservatives like PJPII and Benedict who were the most vocal critics of the demonic Neocon interventions in the Middle East of the last two decades.
I wish that were true but Republicans would turn on their own mothers if they suddenly found out she was on the wrong side of a GOP president. Which party here is consistent and which party here is faker than a hooker’s smile?
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Mark Twain: “There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.” I would put absolutely nothing into this poll.
A Sandinista first, last and always. Liberation theology first, last and always.
His secular masters are pleased.
Sandinistas are from Nicaragua Einstein. Invest in an Atlas.
Their political philosophy transcends borders…liberation communist pagan ideology..BTW aren’t you on the wrong website..with your lack of Christian charity you should stick to the NcR website
I couldn’t care less what country he is from or what planet you are from. Get a life
The usual collection of ad hominem attacks, straw man arguments and misdirection.
Five simple questions which demand yes/no answers and what do we get? A diatribe about nuclear weapons, insinuations about the motivations of the dubia authors and snide remarks about their age.
Does it get any worse than this? It’s time to march into St. Peter’s with pitchforks and take out the trash.
Romans in past centuries would have dragged Bergoglio out of the Vatican and thrown him in the Tiber.
There are some other true gems in this interview!
12:15 mark: “This pope…he…has no interest in power.” (hahahaha)
10:30 mark: “This new president…I don’t think he is very philosophical…I don’t think he is used to thinking.”
9:45 mark: (in reference to singular nations choosing stringent regulations on permitting refugees and migrants into their countries) “The problem in many parts of the world is that the people are not informed. I say for example the United States. They don’t know the world. They don’t have any idea of geography. They don’t know where the other countries are because it doesn’t interest them. Only their country interests them, that’s it. And with this, this reaction, it’s a result of a lack of information and a lack of interest, interest to be informed.”
Also, he claims that now in his diocese’s marriage preparation plan how couples are given copies of Amoris Laetitia to read as the anchor point of their preparation for the sacrament. Genius. Give couples an unbearably long Apostolic Exhortation from a man of rather imprecise thought and pseudo-theological ramblings. They’ll be in great shape come the wedding day.
I’d like to give you several ‘up’ marks, but I can only do one. Thank you for these ‘true gems’!
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When Protestants finally realize what they are supporting with Protestantism, they’ll convert.
But we have to drive out the Communists from leadership positions in the Catholic Church, first!!!
Uhg…
The things I want to say are not appropriate for polite company…
The “boss of the doctrine” is Card. Muller and he doesn’t look sharing the same opinion as Maradiaga regarding the communion to the divorced remarried people, though he didn’t dare to say it aloud, ex cathedra, like this would be his duty since the Pope has chosen to remain silent.
Smoke, mirrors and distractions!!! Answer the questions!!! If you are really Catholic, those questions should be easy to answer.
One thing shines out from this interview (other than the heterodoxy of the individual and his sheer rudeness), and that is his evident hatred – shared by all who are for the ‘Amorous Laity’ document and the entire mindset from which it sprang – for intellectuals and intellectuality.
This is a trait of leftist revolutionaries everywhere and always.
We have a situation in the Church where the truth is simply a barrier to their politics and ideology, their theological world-view, and therefore they deride it, laugh at it, scorn and mock it just as the Roman soldiers did Christ Himself. The Church for 700 years put the Angelic Doctor at the pinnacle of its theology in terms of method, holiness, use of logic to identify and teach the truth. Yet now, post-Vatican II, St. Thomas Aquinas is treated as if he was dirt, for these men (and women) no longer wish to know the truth nor to serve it.
Is it not becoming clearer by the day that the Church is in the hands of malicious enemies of the Catholic Faith, many of them intellectual midgets who hate learning yet love their power over it? What unfortunates! They will one day be in front of Our Lord Jesus Christ and will have to account for all.
Intellectual midgets. That’s perfect. But cunning like foxes, at the same time. They know how to play like fine violins the credulous secular media (and, it must be said, the feckless bishops who share their tiny intellects).
Unfortunately the media isnt stupid at all – controlled by a few rich families
Certainly true at the higher levels. The tiny intellects are mostly on the media front lines.
“the Holy Spirit is not accustomed to go backwards.” says Cardinal Maradiaga. Your Eminence; nor does the Holy Spirit change His mind at the whim of wayward men. As with Christ the Holy Spirit is the same Yesterday, Today and for Eternity. The Cardinal states, “Vatican ll has made peace with the formally-condemned heresy of Modernism;” Christ the Truth through His Holy Roman Catholic Church will never make peace with error. satan is the founder of Modernism, which is why God does not nor will He bless the efforts of Modernists, all they plot only rots. We’ve witnessed it with our own eyes for over 50 years The four Cardinals need to send a Dubia to Cardinal Maradiaga with a fraternal threat of formal correction. Its time for all men of goodwill to assist Christ in purifying His Church.
Who on earth would buy a car that can’t go in reverse? How do you even get it out of the garage? No wonder Hondurans are staying away from Maradiaga’s “product” in their millions.
Who is looking after the Truth?
The deprecative man with bad style, or the four gentle men who are waiting silently and respectfully for an answer?
The man who doesn’t mind that the Church is irreversibly disunited, or the men who suffer the scorns because they want that the Catholic Church remains to be One?
We know what King Solomon would sentence in a similar case.
Everything coming out of Maradiaga sounds like pure, 100%, jewish bolshevik communism with a thin coating of judeo-churchianity.
And so he should. Those four are a joke. Four emasculated modernists, so complain all you like, but you are fools to put your hopes in those spineless bishops.
The difference between Bergoglio, Maradiaga thugs and the other four( all of them are modernists), is that Bergoglio and his thugs have balls. That you would put your trust in those 4 jerks, who are sooooo apologetic, is pathetic.
I’m pretty disgusted with the lack of human resource options, too. Like you, I find their fawning praise for Francis at the same time they clearly see his support for heresy to be pathetic, truly embarrassing.
I am putting much more effort into faith in the supernatural these days, myself.
And you are right. The leftists have courage where we clearly appear to lack it.
The monarchy of the Church is an apparent cause of the current problems, but in the past it has also been the source of so many solutions.
One holy Pope, or even a terrible Pope converted to the Lord could dramatically change the course of the Church.
Even, dare I say it because in order to affirm the faith, I must say it since God is the God of miracles, in Bergoglio. I confess it is hard to conceive.
Weapon makers?…
He must be referring to those who supply the the Swiss Guard?
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This is a guy that should receive the direct and scathing “correction” by a large cadre of Catholic prelates.
But alas….
Folks:
We’re being tried and tested.
Maybe the Lord is sifting His Church. Maybe he wants to shame each and every one of us. Maybe we all need to simply and forcefully examine our own hearts and find where we, too have been weak or relied on that which was not God to do the things of God.
Ultimately and truly, do we REALLY believe that GOD is GOD? or are we just one step away from the modernists who believe this whole life is nothing but material and temporal.
Are we members of the Catholic NGO or the Church of Christ?
I don’t mean to be flippant, and I still think our leaders need to be shamed where necessary, but I also believe this time of trouble is for all of us a time to grow in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Cardinal Burke or even Pope Pius V aren’t going to be standing in for me at my particular judgment.
May God purify the Catholic Church.
Thank you.
Schism is the only answer, let these Leftist fools go there stupid humanist way, we will hold onto the Faith…
Maradiaga whose name by the way seems to be a corruption of the last name Madariaga is what in Spanish would be known as “un chusma” I.e. a person with no manners and a boisterous uncouth attitude. But that seems to run true in the Vatican these days. He is not the only one.
Miserable creeps like him have been lurking for decades. To say that they are now emboldened would be a great understatement.
Mariadiaga is the coordinator of the nine advisors. Just look at his picture and compare it to the four he criticizes. All four of those criticized are seen to be men of character. This individual comes across as little more than a “clown”. There is no doubt of his “radical” tendencies.
Madariaga & Co. are truly desperate! Good!
Y’all remember when another member of the 9 Gang was considered a staunch He-Man Doctrinal Defender?
Cardinal Pell.
Suppose he’ll come to the rescue of the Dubia Deliverers?
I’ll keep my eyes on the horizon for a squadron of Flying Pigs…
good for Maradiaga!!
Maradiaga – about as sensible as Maradona. The latter claimed the “hand of God” too, didn’t he? Cheats and liars both.
Are the advocates of Amoris aware that to stack slogan upon slogan is not to strengthen the force of one’s argumentation thereby?
“We are only servants.”
He neglects to appropriate to the laity any intelligence.
We know the difference between servants and tyrants!
We gladly follow servants. We ignore tyrants.
Also known as traitors!
We are regarded ignorant groundlings. Fodder to be evangelized into the new secularism seasoned with just a touch of transcendence — just enough to soothe our bleeding consciences.
Wallets to contribute to the façade of normalcy.
The majority of the faithful have not read Amoris Laetitia. How can they be happy with it? So, on the one hand, those who say that there is a terrible crisis become of AL are perhaps exaggerating. On the other hand, those who say the majority are delighted with it are putting up smoke and mirrors. The middle ground is that the document can easily be misinterpreted for those who want to misinterpret it—and therein lies the problem.
The document can easily be misinterpreted because it was designed that way. To consign the current catastrophe to unintended misunderstanding is wishful thinking or cooperation with the nefarious who confected it.
As reported by the Italian news website Zonalocale.it on May 3, 2016 — Archbishop Forte (the synod secretary) revealed a “behind the scenes” [moment] from the Synod:
“If we speak explicitly about communion for the divorced and remarried,” said Archbishop Forte, reporting a joke of Pope Francis, “you do not know what a terrible mess we will
make. So we won’t speak plainly, do it in a way that the premises are there, then I will draw out the conclusions.”
Cardinal Maradiaga said in January 2015: “The Pope wants to take this Church renovation to the point where it becomes irreversible.”
The majority of the faithful appear unable to read anything. That they haven’t read Amoris Laetitia is likely to their spiritual benefit. With the eradication of Catholic education and the abolition of catechesis in the wake of “the” council the laity have been being groomed for over fifty years to be deceived by the waste contained in this abhorrent document.
The pope and the cadre surrounding him appear to have had their pastoral training at a United Airlines flight attendant school. The Roman Catholic Church is not the cash cow for a clergy class that has abandoned Jesus Christ for a cut and paste confection that caters to their own concupiscence.
Well spoken.
Thank you.
Unfortunately, the longer this goes on the more “spoken” I get.
I pray to have good reason to be rendered mute.
Years back I bumped into Cardinal McCarrick at Newark Airport. God forbid I ever have the opportunity to meet one of these wags again. I can’t imagine what would be transmitted should such an event occur today.
Amen. Same here; I encountered that very prelate at a daily Mass in downtown San Antonio during my first year as a Catholic, years before I began to fully understand most of the things we talk about here and at other tradition-oriented sites. I was blown away at the time at the mere fact of being at a Mass where a Cardinal concelebrated with our regular priest. Today I might not behave well if that happened again.
Exactly. Francis talks in more riddles than the guy in The Batman Movie.
Really, what was the purpose of the document to Christ’s church & people?? What needed to be said or added??? The most observable result of the thing is confusion & its hard to prove that was not intended.
No, you are wrong. I know it’s nice to sit in the middle and feel your feet are on strongish ground in the centre, but the fact is that study after study has shown AL to be heretical in many places, not only in the infamous footnote to chapter 8.
I find that I begin to ask does anything good come out of this papacy?
Well, if nothing else, deep dismay & dispair has sent several people I know, myself included, looking & finding the real Holy Roman Catholic Church church.
I do hope no one despairs. God has not abandon us. The one good thing out of this may be that, as you say, people go looking and finding the real, true Catholic Church. FSSP and SSPX are two of a few who are true and can be found, even if it’s only online. We haven’t had to go underground to practice our faith, yet.
Interesting how this journal and people who denigrate Pope Francis are insulted at the criticisms aimed at the four “Dubia cardinals,” and yet those very same people have no problem and even participate with the constant slander, denigration, and criticism of Pope Francis.
https://popefranciscatholics.wordpress.com/2017/04/25/pope-more-linguistically-gifted-than-his-detractors/?iframe=true&theme_preview=true
Well if an axe-murderer walked into my house, my feelings & actions towards him/her would not be as polite as to my grandma. It doesn’t make anyone a hypocrite.
I’m not sure I understand your comment. Are you comparing Pope Francis to an axe murderer in your house?
Yes
At judgement only he & God between them will b discussing how many souls lost on his watch.
Rose. Francis brings the critics down upon himself. You know Christ said we cannot serve 2 Masters especially a Pope. If the World loves you then it will hate me. Why does Francis get mixed up in the so called Global Warming debate and now insist it be taught in Seminaries. God spare me that I have a good and Holy Priest to hear my Last Confession and administer to me the Last Rights of The One True and Holy Catholic Church.These Priests need to be taught the Faith not about Icebergs floating down the Hudson River as they are powerless over such things. In fact as ignorant I am myself of Global Warming. I know one fact and that is if China doesn’t stop ( right now ) burning fossil fuels then the whole global warming argument is doomed anyhow .
(Cardinal Maradiaga) insisted, that the Church must “proclaim and testify, as a criterion of sociopolitical organization and education, that all men are brothers.”
But all men aren’t brothers; all men are neighbours. Happily, when we are in Christ, then we are brothers, and as Our Lord Jesus Christ says in today’s Gospel:
“And (Jesus) said to them, ‘Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.'” – Mark 16:15-16
And what is the core of the Gospel? Let’s listen to our Lord as He explains it to us in His own words:
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” – John 3:16
Clearly, then, it is through faith in Jesus Christ and His Gospel, and through water baptism, that we become “brothers”. Consider also our first pope, St. Peter’s, words:
“Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.” 1 Peter 2:17
So, when even clergymen start talking about all men being “brothers”, they are speaking in the mode of the old Adam, from the political perspective of Utopianism; they are not speaking from the spiritual perspective of Divine Revelation in the New Adam, Jesus Christ. They seek to build the utopian “kingdom-of-god” on earth by implementing man-made projects and self-will — trusting in their own fallen natures and preferences and calling it the “Spirit”. Jesus warned us not to go after them or the false gospel they preach — a gospel of mankind’s autonomy and the transmutation of our Lord into an ideal of human self-sufficiency: a gospel of works.
“For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot.” 1 Peter 1:18-19
Christ is risen! All glory to the Most Holy Name of Jesus! Mother Mary, cover us with your mantle of Holy Protection!
Just want to put this out and ask .This man like Bergollio to me reading his face is Godless. Now I may be entirely wrong but when Bergollio stood on St Peters balcony after being made Pope I thought to myself he does not have the face of a Pope .My last feeling like this was of John 23 again of whom i thought hadn’t the Holy face of Pope. Maybe am just looking for something that’s not there but would really like to here others views.
As far as I know many had the same feeling. Although our emotions are unreliable (so easily messed with by demons & by circumstances), I am still creeped out by the memory of the cold, robotic man on the balcony.
Would agree with you about our feelings and that beauty is in the eye of the beholder so to speak. But we know that Piety and Holiness sometimes exists in the face. It’s like someone once said are you happy and if you are why don’t you tell your face .Thanks for reply. God Bless.
You hit that on the head.
Great analysis but please: he is Card. Rodríguez if you want to shorten his surname.
Anyone can try and respond on behalf of the pope, but the questions / Dubia still require a response from the person to whom the questions were asked.