Over at LifeSiteNews, Pete Baklinksy and Claire Chretien (both of whom are, by the way, doing some of the most important work in Catholic journalism today) have compiled a list of bishops and cardinals who have spoken out publicly both for and against the dubia pertaining to Amoris Laetitia.
I’m not positive that the list is comprehensive — I noticed that the signatories of the Kazakhstan bishops’ document on AL aren’t all there, but that may fall outside the scope of their criteria — but by my count on the list they have, there are 15 prelates in favor of the dubia and 13 against.
With things developing so rapidly, lists like this become increasingly important as we try to keep score. I won’t excerpt the list here, just go to their article for the full accounting.
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Cardinal Eijk from the Netherlands is also asking for clarity and says clear that remarried divorced people cannot receive Holy Communion. He also claims that such important teachings of the Church cannot be changed in some footnote….
Thank God for the good Cardinal.
I wish they would all rise up with one loud voice instead of individually.
This nonsense has gone on far too long – the damage done is incalculable.
The damage done, and being done, is demonic!
Against is the Bishop of San Diego, California – McElroy, while for the Dubia are Olmstead of Phoenix, AZ and Archbishop Alexander Sample of Portland, Oregon as evidenced by his recent pastoral letter
Going off a gut feeling, Id say most of the African Cardinals and Chinese Cardinals (the ones that were not influenced by the Chinese government) are either against footnote 351 and/or for the Dubia
PF is now undermining the Catholic bishop and caving into the Chinese communist govt.
Cardinal Zen: Is Pope Francis’ Vatican handing over her authority to China’s atheist government?
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/what-will-2016-bring-the-church-in-china
Why wouldn’t one communist hand something over to another communist. It all makes sense to me.
Of course, PF is a commie has to go with Red China. Who cares about the underground non-Marxist Chinese Catholics. Keep crying out to your God for helping you. Bye bye.
There is hope that his actions will now be exposed:
PopeMaker: The Soros Syndicate Featured
http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2718-the-pope-s-boss and
An Unholy Alliance: the UN, Soros, and the Francis Papacy – Elizabeth Yore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS1GC2kX9HY
A Vatican-Democratic Party
Alliance? (Catholics Ask Trump Administration to Investigate) ***
http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/3001-did-vatican-attempt-to-influence-u-s-election-catholics-ask-trump-administration-to-investigate
All prelates against the dubia need to be disciplined by the next pope. How can you be against clarity? What a joke!
This is all clearly within Cardinal Sarah’s bailiwick and it’s incredible that he has been silent on this issue. But if virtually no one speaks up, the dubia Cardinals will left to twist in the wind.
The entire episode is most disappointing. Christ can not be pleased with his generals. It is high time to clean house.
That is good information to have, may the lists grown longer. We need do know where the bishops stand.
Excellent, this is great to know.
file:///E:/priests_united_in_holy_and_divine_love.pdf
The following is one of many messages from the above .pdf:
May 29, 2006 Public
“I am your Jesus, born Incarnate.”
“It is quite easy for My Priests, Bishops and even Cardinals to remain long years in Purgatory. They are given great responsibility in this world of leading the flock in the Faith. Some are no longer even Catholic. Their consciences become dull through self-love. They believe what is most advantageous to believe.”
“You were asking about the element of time in Purgatory. As you know, there is no time or space in Heaven. But that is Heaven. Purgatory and Hell are still caught in the realm of earthly time. Eternity in Hell is an eternity. In Purgatory the hundreds of years souls say they spend there are hundreds of years. The souls are bound there by time until they are released to Heaven.”
“These are some of the sins Priests, Bishops and Cardinals (even some Popes), suffer Purgatory for:”
“Sins of omission:”
“–not encouraging Adoration, the rosary and devotion to the saints, to their flock.”
“–not preaching against all sin, and especially abortion. It is their job to uncover darkness.”
“–not acknowledging the existence and activity of Satan–some do not even believe in him.”
“–not encouraging the sacrament of Reconciliation and extending the hours it is available.”
“–not preaching against sacrileges perpetrated against the Holy Eucharist.”
“–preaching against, acting against reported apparitions, even though they have never been investigated and offer many fruits. They are, in many cases, making themselves the adversary of Heaven.”
“–not wearing priestly garb in public. They are not called to blend in with the general population, but to stand out so that sinners can seek them out.”
“A great sin of omission in the Church these days is the failure to deal with pedophilia as it should be dealt with. It is a grave sin. The perpetrators need to be relieved of their priestly duties, no matter their importance in the Church. To deny this truth is as serious as the sin of pedophilia itself.”
“Up until this time, I have spoken strictly about sins of omission. Here are other ways in which men fail Me in their religious vocations.”
“They put the focus on social justice instead of personal holiness. Personal holiness must be first. Social justice is a fruit of personal holiness. Some preach often on social justice but never virtues, holiness, prayer or the sacraments.”
“Those who have authority in the Church should lead as the Good Shepherd–not as one in control–but as one who loves. Souls are being lost every present moment because of these sins I have stated. The ones who do not slip to their perdition spend long years in Purgatory. Many, many add hundreds of years onto their Purgatory as they have not taken their duties to heart, and have consequently misled a multitude.”
“I know you fear making this public. You fear censure by the very ones I come to correct. But you must not hold back. To do so would greatly displease Me and may cost souls their salvation. Everyone, in humility, needs constructive criticism. This message is for those who stand to gain much. If they object to it, it is because they see themselves within these words. I give you Holy Boldness to release this publicly.”
August 6, 2006
Public
Intellectual Pride / Purgatory
St. John Vianney says: “Praise be to Jesus.”
“Today I have come to help you realize just why intellectual pride is an attitude that holds souls in Purgatory for so long. This type of pride leads people to believe more in themselves and their own opinions than in the Holy Spirit who is Truth itself.”
“Intellectual pride results in false discernment, rash judgment, liberaltheology and an obtuse spirit in examining their own conscience. Every heresy throughout history has been the product of intellectual pride. This type of pride leads the soul to believe he is always right–everyone who opposes him is wrong. In this same way, he closes himself off from constructive criticism.”
“Souls, in humility, must realize that all intellect comes from God alone, and is only lent to the person as a grace to be used for the greater honor and glory of God. It is so with any gift or talent. How foolish to consider it otherwise.”
“When the soul believes too much in himself, he begins to use what God has given him towards his own self-destruction.”
February 1, 2006
Public; PRAYER FOR PRIESTS
Jesus and Our Lady come. Our Lady says: “Praise be to Jesus.” Jesus says: “I am your Jesus, born Incarnate.”
Jesus:
“I desire all Confraternity members recite this prayer daily:”
“Heavenly Mother, I invoke you–take under Your Mantle of Protection all Your priest-sons. Draw them into Your Immaculate Heart–purest vessel of Holy Love.”
“Nurture them in the Tradition of Faith. Give them the grace to reject liberalism. Protect the Church hierarchy from the allurements of liberaltheology, power and avarice. Unite them in humility and love, so that the
Church will once again be made whole.”
“Allow the Message of the United Hearts to mend all spiritual illness within the Church. Amen.”
November 9, 2007
Second Friday Rosary Service to Pray for Priests
St. John Vianney is here. He says: “Praise be to Jesus.”
“My brothers and sisters, pray that all priests recognize the need to seek the protection of their Heavenly Mother lest they be mislead by liberaltheology. Our Heavenly Mother wants to protect the Faith of all people, but most especially for priests, so that they live and spread only the truths of the Faith.”
“Tonight I am extending to you my Priestly Blessing.”
February 13, 2008
Public
St. Thomas Aquinas says: “Praise be to Jesus.”
“Child, how twisted and convoluted is some leadership who accuse these Messages as driving a subtle wedge between laity and hierarchy when Heaven speaks only truth here. Those who want only to present themselves as blameless and perfect should look with the eyes of truth into their own hearts. Then they should look at the liberal factions within the Church, which certainly oppose the true Church authority. These are the ones that the laity should be cautioned against,not Holy Love Ministries.”
November 26, 2013
Public
St. Peter says: “Praise be to Jesus.”
“I tell you, with authority, that those who have influence over the moral decisions of others must not paint these decisions with a gray paint brush. Always present right as right, wrong as wrong and sin as sin! Do not try to accommodate the liberal conscience to win him over. This is the embrace of error!”
“God’s Commandments do not change to suit personalities or agendas. You must always guide those whom you influence, lovingly, along the path of Holy Love without exception.”
October 16, 2014
Public
“I am your Jesus, born Incarnate.”
“I tell you, the Commandments are not open to new and more liberalinterpretations – interpretations more in line with man’s sinful desires. Truth does not come to you on the breath of compromise. Truth is not subject to debate. Truth never changes for the sake of embracing mankind’s heart. Mankind’s heart must change to embrace the Truth.”
Read 2 Peter 2:21
For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.
September 22, 2015
Public
Our Lady comes as Mary, Refuge of Holy Love. She says, “Praise be to Jesus.”
“Today, I invite you to realize that you cannot dignify sin through humanitarian reasons.* Therefore, the call to accept abortion and same-sex marriage as a ‘freedom’ or a ‘right’ is unjustified. Sin remains an evil no matter the pretense.”
“These days, Satan uses every excuse based upon self-love to entice souls to sin. People are so confused as to what is Truth according to Holy Love that they cannot sort through the facts and the lies to discover the reality of the Truth.”
“The desire to feel ‘comfortable’ with sin has brought about the phenomena of redefining sin; but Truth cannot be redefined. Truth remains the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Sin is sin under any label.”
“It is My prayer that the heart of the world is captured by the Truth of Holy Love and turns away from error and confusion. I am hopeful you will join Me in this prayer.”
* This is the basis within liberal Church circles to place the pastoral aspects (compassion and mercy toward the sinner) above the doctrinal aspects (Church teaching in the Tradition of Faith) of the moral biblical principles regarding sin in violating the Ten Commandments.
All messages are from http://www.holylove.org