The pope is scheduled to visit Lund, Sweden, on Monday, for the joint Luthern/Vatican “commemoration” of the 500th anniversary of the Protestant “Reformation”. In a newly-released interview with La Civiltà Cattolica (excerpts of which have been translated by Crux), Francis indicates that he originally did not want to offer Mass in Lund, because he saw it as an obstruction to the ecumenical symbolism of the event:
In the interview with Father Ulf Jonsson, a fellow Jesuit, the pope also discusses his relationships with Lutherans from his days as a Jesuit and later archbishop in Buenos Aires, and said Catholics could learn from the Lutheran tradition in the areas of church reform and Scripture.
Noting how the words “Catholic” and “sectarian” were in contradiction, he said: “This is why at the beginning I wasn’t planning to celebrate a Mass for the Catholics on this trip. I wanted to insist on an ecumenical witness.”
“Then I reflected well on my role as pastor of a flock of Catholics who will also come from other countries, like Norway and Denmark,” he said. “So, responding to the fervent request of the Catholic community, I decided to celebrate a Mass, lengthening the trip by a day.”
By celebrating the Mass on Tuesday, rather than Monday, “the ecumenical encounter is preserved in its profound significance according to a spirit of unity – that is my desire,” the pope said.
All I could think of while reading this was two famous quotes on the liturgical revolt after the Second Vatican council. The first is from Jean Guitton (close friend of Paul VI):
The intention of Paul VI with regard to what is commonly called the Mass, was to reform the Catholic liturgy in such a way that it should almost coincide with the Protestant liturgy – but what is curious is that Paul VI did that to get as close as possible to the Protestant Lord’s supper… there was with Paul VI an ecumenical intention to remove, or at least to correct, or at least to relax, what was too Catholic, in the traditional sense, and, I repeat, to get the Catholic Mass closer to the Calvinist Mass.
The second is from then-Father Anibale Bugnini, principle author of the schema for Sacrosanctum Concilium and creator — as Secretary of the post-conciliar “Consilium” — of the Novus Ordo Missae (New Order of Mass). Bugnini said that his intention in the drafting of the new liturgy was to
“to strip from our Catholic prayers and from the Catholic liturgy everything which can be the shadow of a stumbling block for our separated brethren, that is, for the Protestants.” – L’Osservatore Romano, March 19, 1965
For the most part, Francis has thus far left the liturgy alone. It has always been my theory that it is because it is of little consequence to him; he is neither strongly for nor against good liturgy. His program is about social justice, the “reformation” of doctrine, and the systematic deconstruction of the Church’s ancient theological paradigms.
But in separate reporting today, there is troubling news on the liturgical front:
Pope Francis today appointed a raft of new members to Cardinal Robert Sarah’s liturgy department, choosing a series of pastoral moderates to replace more conservative-minded figures.
The move will be read as the Pope’s attempt to rein in the cardinal who has consistently called for priests to celebrate Mass facing East, something the Pope reprimanded him for earlier this year.
Among the new members of the department – formally known as the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments – are Piero Marini, a long-serving master of papal ceremonies and a key proponent of the liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council.
Others named as members, who will effectively oversee Cardinal Sarah’s work and vote on decisions, include Cardinal Pietro Parolin (Vatican Secretary of State) and New Zealand Cardinal John Dew.
Tablet writer Christopher Lamb helpfully reminds us that “Cardinal Sarah, from Guinea, has consistently called for priests to turn their backs on the congregation while celebrating Mass and has struck a very different tone to the Pope’s merciful approach to families in difficult circumstances.”
Returning to the Civiltà Cattolica interview, we see again the most potent reminder of the papal agenda I outlined yesterday:
Asked what the Catholic Church could learn from the Lutheran tradition, Pope Francis said Martin Luther “wanted to remedy a complex situation” but his reform ended up splitting the Church because of the confusion of temporal and spiritual.
But he said reform in the Church was “fundamental, because the Church is semper reformanda (always to be reformed),” adding that prior to the 2013 conclave “the request for a reform was alive” in the cardinals’ discussions about the state of the Church.
Francis has done an excellent job making clear that his spiritual and ecclesiastical inspiration comes predominately from Martin Luther.
This pontiff is clearly embarrassed and ashamed to be Catholic. How else can this be explained? None of his pre-Conciliar predecessors would have even dared to attend this “commemoration”, much less publicly admit that they had no intention of saying Mass for the benefit of the faithful in the area out of fear of damaging this so-called “ecumenical” venture.
I obviously cannot know for certain, but I imagine that if St. Pius X had been asked to attend a commemoration of the disaster that was the Protestant revolt, he would have responded with a “No, thank you. I will instead be saying a public votive Mass for the healing of schism [sadly retitled “Mass for the unity of the Church” by John XXIII]. Let me know when you Lutherans decide you’ve had enough with your nonsense and are ready to return to the Church of Christ.”
Something is going to happen on Monday, ladies and gentlemen; otherwise, what would be the point of this ostentatious display of so-called “unity”? I’m bracing myself and my family for the worst.
I don’t think he is embarrassed or ashamed to be Catholic. It is much worse, Pope Francis hates the Catholic Church and faithful Catholics.
My money only goes to the traditional communities in the Church! Pope narcissist and novus ordo land don’t get it.
Sure what it feels like!
Pray our Rosaries!!!
He is certainly making it easier for the rule of the Antichrist. When the world is conditioned to reject the true, Catholic religion, as most Catholics have already done, what can stand in his way?
The Eucharist, the Sacrifice of the Mass, is the summit of our faith.
There is so much to ponder, pray upon should the worst outcome happen.
And I am afraid the worst will befall our Church on Monday, as you suggest.
Exactly. Intercommunion and/or the complete rehabilitation of Luther and the other Protestant revolters—in short, a complete overthrow of an ecumenical council (Trent)—are what all the leaks in the media are pointing to (especially intercommunion). But, I suppose we shouldn’t be surprised. After all, this is the same pontiff who told us, “A little bread and wine does no harm.”
No, I am not really surprised. I feel as though the air has been knocked out of me though.
Time to get up.
Complete overthrow of the DOGMATIC ecumenical Council of Trent.
Oh let’s face it already. I pray for the intentions of the Pope in my daily rosary, but what in God’s name is the Holy Father thinking? Skip the ecumenical stuff and remind them that we all have a common threat = Islam and Secular Humanism. Cut the “touchy, feely” nonsense !!!
Are you aware that it was Pope Benedict who gave the leader of the Taize movement a host in one of his interreligious worship services?
I wasn’t, but I’m not surprised. As Deacon Augustine reminded us in another combox, we can’t act as such “ecumenical” ventures are unique to Francis and ignore the activity of his two predecessors.
All them were following the mandates set by Pope John XXIII who forbid the Council to address heresies and errors and then the mandate of the Council to change the primary mission of the Church to ecumenism, or a false ecumenism, where the heretics, schismatics and non-believers were given pride of place in all of the functions of the Church. Everything the Church has done is geared towards a destructive (to the true Catholic faith), and constant “dialogue” with those outside of the Church with its culmination of the popes praying and worshipping with those who believe in false gods or reject Christ as the Redeemer and Second Person of the Trinity.
Y’all it’s not this Monday is it? I though the 500 years was next year considering Luther posted the 95 Theses in 1517 not 16
I believe the idea is that this is the beginning of a year of ‘celebration’, culminating on the actual 500th anniversary next year.
A continuation of the year of false mercy. They have to keep the momentum going.
“celebrating” schism and the road to Hell by leaving the ark of Salvation, the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ Himself.
It starts the “celebration” of the 100th year this Monday.
I’ve been wondering the same thing
Francis is completely indifferent to the Catholic faith, so why would he feel shame? He has no stake in the church. A way to clarify my thought – The media is reporting that a significant group of Americans will vote for Trump even though the polls reveal they claim they will vote for Clinton. Why is that?? Because they’re ashamed to reveal they favour a candidate with his history of sex-capades. And besides, PF fits Ann Barnhardt’s psychological profile of Diabolical Narcissism – he is not capable of shame.
His last two predecessors as well as himself, went even further into sacrilege, blasphemy and idolatry in every interreligious prayer or worship service they attended. They all proved that they do not believe in the true Catholic faith.
Just to extend on what you said about “none of his pre-Conciliar predecessors would have even dared to attend this “commemoration”” I would just say that I love it when neo-conservatives bring up arguments such as “John Paul II and Benedict would never have done that”. The problem is that there seems to be a substantial agreement now amongst groups of Catholics (there shouldn’t be groups but there are) on their disapproval of Francis going to Lund but when you bring up JPII and Assisi then all of a sudden defensive postures start to take form. In my opinion Assisi was at the same level, if not worse, than Lund and that’s coming from a Pol. We’ve been down this road before and we will again unless faithful successors of the Apostles stand up and say “enough”! At the moment bishops and cardinals are trying to wait out the storm saying “we’ll fix this once Francis is gone”. Well, we might be waiting a while. In the meantime enjoy the show.
The neocons still will not admit that both JPII and Benedict XVI sinned against the First Commandment and the perennial teaching of the Church that it is a sin to pray and worship false gods as they did so shamefully so many times.
The problem with neo-cons is that they don’t pray for the grace to see. Yes they attend the Novus Ordo on Sundays and substantially agree with the Churches moral teachings but they’re blinded by their refusal to find out more than what is stated in their parish bulletins. Pointing out hierarchical, especially a popes, errors is to them scandalous. I’ve had arguments with my dad over JPII and I say to him “I can bring up several officially sourced arguments as to why he made some grave mistakes, but I challenge you to find one on Abp. Lefebvre, besides the tired old “disobedience””. I cant get an answer because it doesn’t exist.
Why do you think the Novus Ordo liturgy removed from its calendar the celebration of the Feast of Christ the King on the last Sunday of October when that is “Reformation Day” for Lutherans?
This boot licking ecumenical display by a Church wrecking Mason is so disgusting to me as a traditional Catholic, to think we have a simpering jackass who will go as besa culo to the greatest PROTESTERS in history as the leader of Christ’s Church is just too much to take. When is he going to go to Westminster Cathedral and tell ol’ Hank don’t worry about a thing Henry we are going to make you a saint, and to all the minor twats who got rich from filching Church land all is forgiven.
Language
-Captain America-
There is no evidence that the Holy Father is a Mason. That would be too easy
The way Jorge talks and acts is Masonic. God help us but when you think of all the Holy men and women Martryed against Luther and here we have this man who talks in riddles going to Protestants to celebrate The Reformation.
The freemasons never wanted one of their own on the throne. They wanted a man which was friendly to their ideas, and an adherent to their core ideals, but who was not formally a member. Looks like they got it.
The three greatest enemies of Christ, Communists, Masons, and Modernists got their man on the Chair of Peter.
Adam Weishaupt boasted that one of their own [in the Order of the Illuminati] would one day seat of the throne of St. Peter. Cf. The Illuminati, the Pope, and the Secret Societies. You are right regarding the Freemasons’ plan for the papacy:
The masonic news in Argentina and Italy praised Bergoglio’s election, which never happened before.
Francis’ downplay of conversion to the one true faith shows his masonic belief that all religions are just different means to go to ‘god’. His attacks on dogma called “rigidness” show the mushy ever evolving relativism of freemasonry, which pushes there heresy of indifferentism. Read the ‘masonic bible’ called “Morals and Dogma” by Albert Pike to see the details. You can read that free online.
There is no evidence that the holy father is catholic.
You will no doubt be relieved to find out that the Pope will not be adding to his carbon footprint by travelling to London for a hugfest with the Heretics of the Sceptic Isle. You see, when Westminster Cathedral’s holy door is closed by Cardinal Vincent Nichols at the end of the Year of Mercy next month, the Special Guest Preacher at the ceremony is Justin Welby, an erstwhile oil industry executive who now travels the length and breadth of Britain masquerading as the Archbishop of Canterbury. In the Jewel set in a Silver Sea at least, the Catholic Church and the Anglican Conglomerate are virtually indistinguishable.
I’m was wondering how long church militant won’t admit that these things are being carried out by the Pope and all the libs are replacing the conservatives, yet they trash all the bishops that are doing this. It seems that they have a star poster Festus. I read your posts here and there are ample evidence that their is corruption and they try to tell you over their if you don’t support the Pope we are not Catholic. I feel that their is no way I can support a Pope that even won’t call out Hilary Clinton after finding out she was infiltrating in our church to change its teachings. What about the proof Soros was involved and those people at the Vatican? I am getting to the point where I don’t know what to do with all this corruption in our church. if we don’t ban together to fight this corruption, it is going to be like Hilary being president. I don’t go on church militant any more just wanted to see if they are carrying any of these things you guys are and nothing. I don’t get it. How much more proof do they need. They make it like we are not Catholics, but are we expected to support a Pope no matter the evil? God help us!
One of the marks of the Church is unity of faith. Can anyone honestly say there is unity of faith in the concilior church?
concilior church (sic)
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church in Church, I can grant you but the pre, during, and post Vatican II Council the Church is still the same Church of Christ, the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church, even though she is battered almost beyond recognition as her Spouse and LORD was. Usually those who speak of a new conciliar church are the ones who cling to Marian Revelations especially Fatima. If I were them and that was my thinking, it would make me pause when I consider that the visionaries went to the Church authorities pre, during, and post Vatican II Council Church. The pope to whom Mary’s message was intended was the current pope at the time the message was delivered.
I hate saying it because the folks at Church Militant are our allies in this fight, but that publication has become an arm for the Trump campaign, and a platform for yelling “Uh-oh, so many homo-gay!!!” It’s very sad. Many of us here have been banned from Church Militant for speaking the truth about Pope Francis; that he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, that he is dangerous to the faithful, and he is a traitor to the faith.
You’re right that we need to band together, and the most immediate way to do so is through prayer. Pray for the Lord’s will, of course, and pray for the triumph of Mary’s Immaculate heart. It is through Mary that Our Lord promised will triumph. And finally, remember that the Church is not a democracy… by being loud and demanding change, we are guaranteed and entitled to nothing. The Church is in Our Lord’a hands, and so we must entreat Him for mercy.
Stay strong! Never forget, the Victory has already been won!
I don’t know if he is an arm for Trump, but obviously we can’t vote for Kilary . Yes I haven’t gone back either just a couple of times to see if they are reporting about the Pope. They aren’t putting the information about the Lutherians or about Cardinal Sarah. They don’t want to admit we have rogue Pope. They complain about all the liberals in the church and the pope just replaced 27 Cardinals with progressives. We may have a schism under this Pope. When are they going to see the truth? They don’t consider us Catholics if we question this Pope and are pushing us away. I feel like becoming an orthodox the way it is going. God help us!
I have two questions.
1. Can the Church and Pope teach error?
2. Has the Church and Pope taught error?
1. Can the Church and Pope teach error? No and Yes.
2. Has the Church and Pope taught error? Never has and never will and Yes.
has any noticed that this pope and his sycophants are in a tremendous hurry to ditch the council of trent and hence the sacraments???
I am, and I am betrayed by him.
Vatican II already ditched the Council of Trent and rewrote the Sacraments so they in doubt of being valid.
Stop adding to what is already confused.
The one good news today was that you hit the monthly foundraiser goal! God Bless you, 1P5!
That said, that interview is atrocious. I suggest that you cover the per se heretical remarks about “true religions”: “I call religion «an immanent transcendence», namely a contradiction. But the true religions are the development of the capacity that humanity has to transcend itself towards the absolute.”
Please, pray for Pope Francis.
He always asks for it, he should be overwelmed with grace, but he is clearly not: because few catholics pray, fewer pray for the Pope, and of those who do, most pray for him to “reform” the Church the way he would, if it were possible: I fear that only a handful of faithfuls remembers to pray constantly for the pope to be a TRADITIONALIST. And let’s not fear the use of this word, “For the true friends of the people are neither revolutionaries nor innovators, but traditionalists”! (St. Pius X, Encyclical Notre Charge Apostolique)
Pray for him ‘constantly’: every time you read or hear of an heresy coming from his mouth, substitute your harsh thought or mental imprecation with a short “God, maketh him saint!” prayer (as suggested by S. Alfonso De Liguori). Don’t let the devil have a double victory: with his heresy, and with your wrath.
You’re a better Catholic than I am Carolus. God bless you.
With God’s grace we can all be like him or even better, as the LORD has called us to be i.e., perfect as his heavenly Father is.
grace 😉
“I call religion «an immanent transcendence», namely a contradiction. But the true religions are the development of the capacity that humanity has to transcend itself towards the absolute.”
Carolus, this is standard Modernism. It is precisely this idea that was condemned by Pope Pius X in his encyclical Pascendi. The words “true religions” alone, implying that there are multiple “true religions”, is heretical.
Quote from Pascendi, explaining the Modernist notion of immanence:
“Therefore the religious sentiment, which through the agency of vital immanence emerges from the lurking places of the subconsciousness, is the germ of all religion, and the explanation of everything that has been or ever will be in any religion. The sentiment, which was at first only rudimentary and almost formless, gradually matured, under the influence of that mysterious principle from which it originated, with the progress of human life, of which, as has been said, it is a form. This, then, is the origin of all religion, even supernatural religion; it is only a development of this religious sentiment.“
My “per se heretical remarks about «true religions»” sentence is your “It is precisely this idea that was condemned by Pope Pius X in his encyclical Pascendi. The words “true religions” alone, implying that there are multiple “true religions”, is heretical” in a nutshell: it is the very object of the discussion that is eretical, as if a Pope spoke of the “sole human nature of Our Lord Jesus Christ”.
So: what is your point?
That the pope is or should be deposed because he uttered heretical phrases? As every serious theologian and Doctor of the Church agrees, it is not the simple catholic-in-the-street’s call to make.
I said nothing about whether or not the Pope should be deposed. Personally, of course, I would like him to be deposed and be replaced by someone with a modicum of respect for the Catholic faith. However, in the post above, I was just pointing out how the statement of his you quoted is standard Modernism.
That’s fine and correct, brother. And I simply stated that I had already pointed that out. But really, be careful of the sedecacantist errors. That’s the devil’s work.
Francis will depose himself.
On the contrary, it is the duty and responsibility of all Catholics, laity and clergy, to speak out against heresy.
It is indeed, my good friend, and the belief that simple faithfuls can declare that a pope is an heretic and deposed or otherwise deny his authority without a prior judgment of the Church is, in fact, an heresy: so let’s speak out against it.
Simple faithfuls who know the true teachings of the Church can certainly recognize a teaching that is heretical and if it happens to be taught by a priest, bishop, cardinal or pope, makes them a heretic. That needs no authority other than the Truth as judge. What the simple faithful cannot do is throw them out and silence them.
The simple faithful does not only have to recognize the heresies he is presented with: he must do so. Still, he can neither judge the pope, nor depose or declare him deposed.
Yes, we need to pray constantly for not only the conversion of heretics, schismatics and non-believers outside of the Church but especially for those who, although they have excommunicated themselves, still believe they are Catholic. Loving your enemies means you want them to belong to Christ’s one, true Church as She alone is the means for sainthood and salvation.
One wonders if Papa Bergoglio ends his prayers with “So Mote It Be.”
“…..that is my desire.”
Does God’s will fit into your plans, your Holiness?
Change at cdw suggests that something very Lutheran is in the offing. Will this be how he interrupts the regular offering? Stripping priests of the authority to confect the Eucharist in a valid way does just that – there could be no way to celebrate a valid mass. It might be possible for some or another bishop to resist – maybe.
You may have something here because I believe we are headed toward:
We need to pray for the Pope only in so far as the will of God be done in his regard. I cannot in good conscience pray that he be “preserved”.
I am praying for a Catholic Pope. Whether Francis or someone else is for God to decide.
Pope Francis is pope, unfaithful or not.
Perhaps… If the abdication of Pope Benedict was made absent of any duress whatsoever, even occult. Perhaps…
What I’m trying to say is that Francis doesn’t have the Catholic faith. I would be content for him to come to the Faith, or if not, let another with the Catholic faith take his place. Soon.
I also think he [and the other innovators] lost it a while ago.
Cf. Love for Enemies [Mt 5:44-48 (RSVCE)].
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Remember him at Mass, the Rosary, and in our private prayer of devotion (plenty of traditional prayers for the pope). If he get’s converted, thanks be to God and we have gotten our father and brother back, if not he heaps red hot coals on his own head, but we have done our duty.
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Please note that because of the visceral reaction I have toward Pope Francis, it has not been at all easy to pray for him, but as President Kennedy said, we choose to do such things not because they are easy, but because they are hard.
To be a full fledged Protestant is the goal of Pope Francis.
Why might one suppose he would think like this since Protestantism is a heresy and contributed much to the decline of Western morality. And, even more, Protestantism has been in a state of decline into insignificance as it is absorbed into the secular culture. What sort of madness now possesses the Pope who wishes to conform to Luther rather than convert Lutherans to Catholicism? Where are our Bishops and Cardinals in all of this? Why are they not speaking out and condemning such clearly diabolic actions by Pope Francis as he continues to undermine the Catholic faith? Lord have mercy on all of us especially Pope Francis.
Because they are all onboard with ecumenism. Its the new faith of vatican 2.
Yes, it is easier to join them than convert them.
We have to remember that faithful bishops are a small minority today. If they publicly condemn Pope Francis, they would be removed and replaced with some heretic bishop. They feel it is their obligation to their flocks, to keep their heads down and do the hard work of protecting their flock. I know of several bishops who privately admit that there are ‘problems’ with Pope Francis and privately fight to try to keep their priests in line with Church teaching. Sadly though they have learned that those who speak out against Pope Francis will soon see charges brought up that they covered up for pedophile priests or some other drummed up charge, and soon will be out on their ear. I can feel for them.
Also they are a small minority and wouldn’t have a chance of a move to depose Pope Francis.
They know if they openly condemn him, they will loose their ability to help their flock. I know of one bishop that is very quietly ordering a change to ad orientum Masses, moving the tabernacle into the middle of the high altar and many other moves in the direction of tradition. But like Christians in communist Russia, or even early Christian Rome, out of necessity they keep their heads down, trying to do what they can to rebuild the Church without even getting the notice of Traditional Catholics. (We have a tendency to reveal these bishops when we praise them and print articles about their good work.) Sadly Pope Francis has already removed several of these bishops.
Such a sad situation that doing the will of God is a cause for punishment. We must pray for them. We must admire them. We must support them.
Yes, but quietly. Seriously, we don’t want the enemies of the Church to find out who they are, just her friends.
Agree.
“Historically, Lutherans and Catholics have had disagreements about how the terminology of “sacrifice” should be applied to the Eucharist.
In recent ecumenical consensus, both sides have affirmed that it is appropriate to speak of a “sacrifice of praise” in connection with the Eucharist.
Still, the Catholic-Lutheran dialogue group for the Swedish-Finnish church (2010) observes: “From a Reformation perspective, it is however unusual to describe the church as involved in the sacrifice of Christ”
Thus, some Lutherans continue to regard the language of “sacrifice” found in Catholic theology and the Catholic Eucharistic rite to be a potential stumbling block to unity.”
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The above is from the church document “declaration of the way”
Both the Catholic Church and the lutherins have agreed to speak teach and catechise the faithful regarding the sacrafice of the mass as a ” sacrafice of praise” lessening perhaps disregarding it as the sacrafice of christ as the victim and becoming nothing more than a sacrafice of praise by the faithful…. when reading it one can not help but think of the words
“It set itself up to be as great as the commander of the army of the Lord; it took away the daily sacrifice from the Lord, and his sanctuary was thrown down. 12Because of rebellion, the Lord’s people and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground.”
In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise. 24He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy those who are mighty, the holy people. 25He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power
We will all know by Monday then if Bergoglio is not only a heretic but an apostate as well. The Third major schism in the Catholic Church will then come about, and the See of Peter will become vacant. I too am preparing my family through prayer. I fear the CC will become much smaller- indeed, a catacomb church. Mary, Destroyer of Heresies, pray for us!
Yes. We must remember that, no matter how horrible things may become, Our Lady will crush the serpent beneath her heel. Her Rosary is our greatest weapon against Satan and the tools of his wickedness.
“Let God arise, and let his enemies be scattered: and let them that hate him flee from before his face. As smoke vanisheth, so let them vanish away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God.” (Psalm 67: 2, 3)
“Lord, let thy hand be exalted, and let them not see: let the envious people see, and be confounded: and let fire devour thy enemies.” (Isaias 26:11)
Wasn’t it prophesied somewhere that before the 2nd Coming there would be a “great falling away”? And Christ Himself questioned whether He will find faith on earth when He returns.
I believe we are in that time, the false prophet has been revealed and we are just awating the revelation of the Antichrist.
We must hang on and live our faith as we have always done. Truth does not change; God does not change, nor will He allow this mockery and confusion to go on forever. As Our Lady has asked: Pray and do penance. Live the most intense sacramental life you can and trust in the Lord.
All of you out there, if your time and family permit it, please join my wife and I in our day of prayer and fasting on October 31st. Perhaps Our Lord will hear our prayers and prevent these men from blaspheming the Blessed Sacrament, or that the people would not partake. Whatever He wills.
Question for you all: is this the planned first step toward universal communion regardless of religion? I can’t see how PF cares very much about Lutherans, they’re small fries. This is about something bigger.
NWO and One World Religion it appears Pope Francis is its prophet. Cf. James Perloff’s THE WAR ON CHRISTIANITY, PART 1 and THE WAR ON CHRISTIANITY, PART II: THE ABOMINATION AND BLASPHEMY OF CHRISTIAN ZIONISM
Removed from the Novus Ordo was the Feast of the Sovereign Kingship of Christ on the last Sunday in October, initiated in 1925 by His Holiness Pope Pius XI in his encyclical “Quas Primas”>
Sunday, October 30, 2016 is the Double of the First Class Feast of the Sovereign Kingship of Jesus Christ (Christ the King Sunday).
After the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, there follows a Consecration of the human race to the Sacred Heart of Jesus.
All kneel in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament and, with the priest, recite the following consecration; then the Litany of Christ the King and Benediction.
Most sweet Jesus, Redeemer of the human race, look down upon us humbly prostrate before Thine altar. We are Thine, and Thine we wish to be; but, to be more surely united with Thee, behold each one of us freely consecrates himself today to Thy most Sacred Heart.
Many indeed have never known Thee; many too, despising Thy precepts, have rejected Thee. Have mercy on them all, most merciful Jesus, and draw them to Thy Sacred Heart. Be Thou King, O Lord, not only of the faithful who have never forsaken Thee, but also of the prodigal children who have abandoned Thee: grant that they may quickly return to Thy Father’s house lest they die of wretchedness and hunger.
Be Thou King of those who are deceived by erroneous opinions, or whom discord keeps aloof, and call them back to the harbor of truth and unity of faith, so that there may be but one flock and one Shepherd.
Be Thou King of all those who are still involved in the darkness of idolatry or of Islamism, and refuse not to draw them into the light and kingdom of God. Turn Thine eyes of mercy towards the children of the race, once Thy chosen people: of old they called down upon themselves the Blood of the Savior; may it now descend upon them a laver of redemption and of life.
Grant, O Lord, to Thy Church assurance of freedom and immunity from harm; give peace and order to all nations, and make the earth resound from pole to pole with one cry: “Praise be to the divine Heart that wrought our salvation; to it be glory and honor for ever.” Amen.
The line that jumps out at me is: “That is my desire.” It would be interesting to comb through Pope Francis’ speeches and writings to compile evidence of this kind of pervasive self-referentiality. A Pope, after all, isn’t supposed to impose his personal wishes but instead–like the lowliest of disciples–must first determine and then do the will of God. Francis the First (willfully?) forgets that even his most exalted authority is a reflection of Christ the King’s, rather than a usurpation of it. One is reminded of the comical image of Shift the Ape in C.S. Lewis’ The Last Battle, wherein Shift says things like, “Take him away. . . . I will–I mean, Aslan will–do justice on him later.” In the same way, it occasionally occurs to Pope Francis that he is supposed to be the Vicar of Christ on earth, and that his own power over people rests on such recognition, so he sprinkles in some mention of Our Lord and Savior here and there. Nevertheless, Bergoglio’s manner of speaking–just like his dictatorial methodology–betrays the fact that it is human subjection to his person, his cohort, and their vapid ideology that he both desires and demands, in place of the supernatural submission to Jesus Christ which he both owes and is meant to inspire.
Interesting and perspicacious observations.
Didn’t read all of this article because the comments from the current pope were nauseating.
Our pope describing the church that is entrusted to him as a “christian federation” that panders to the lies of protestantism is disgraceful the faith has always stood alone as the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Lund may bring some interesting surprises at least this is what I’m praying and hoping for, a firm set of hands needs to be placed back onto the rudder.
I was listening to a talk by Daphne McLeod on a recorded lecture last night on Ecumenism. It was on the Pro Ecclesia website. Here is some of what she said.
“True ecumenism is to proclaim the truth clearly and lovingly. It cannot be compromise. It must be the truth and …a spurious unity cannot be put before truth, which is Christ…..There needs to be no ambiguity as that gets us nowhere. You can’t use words that mean different things to different people nor can you leave beliefs out in order to be tactful. You cannot misrepresent, but be complete, honest and clear…and very loving.”
I am wondering if the Pope and his new appointees should listen to this? But I’m not sure they’d take it on board. And I wonder how much compromise there will be in Sweden?
Here is the link to Daphne McLeod’s talk. It is about 25 minutes but she says a lot in the first half. http://www.proecclesia.com/talk_wwcb16.mp3
The fact is, the leaders of the Church have been compromising the true faith for the last 50+ years. They have done so in the joint signing with Lutherans of the document on justifcation. They have done so in every interreligious prayer and worship service they have conducted or participated in. They have done so in the Vatican II documents on the definition of the Church, on religious liberty, on collegiality, on separation of Church and state, on the Jews, on other religions, and most importantly, in the invention of the New Order liturgy which is a combination of Protestant theology and practices with a little Catholicism thrown in.
https://twitter.com/KatolsktMagasin/status/792434770382839808
Well lots of people want to remedy what they wrongly think is a bad situation, delusional “Klingons”, for instance.
The Protestant Reformation did more harm to the Church than any other Christian movement since the Arian crisis. It is not a matter for celebration but for deep regret and calls for a clear statement that is was heretical.
Pray for this joker. Pray that a little thunderbolt action making contact with his papal posterior wakes him out of his diabolical stupor before he dies an apostate and/or a madman.
But, mostly, we pray for the sanctity and unity of the holy Catholic Church in these darkest of times yet witnessed by good Christians. Deliver us, Lord, from the lies, half-truths, and equivocations of this latter-day Judas, and of his wicked prelate allies throughout the world.
i found a picture of Lund. It’s quite beautiful. Oh wait never mind it’s an “after” picture https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/80fe85f4b798d2a54bdc03909c6d03445dabca32bd59598a669fb2f9214a4bd1.png
So the pope himself would skip daily Mass???? How does that show love for Our Lord or the Holy Sacrifice? Could it not show a greater regard for human respect?
Not sure we can tell if not having a public Mass in Sweden – he is going to say a Mass now – necessairly means he wasn’t going to say his daily Mass, as required of a Catholic preist.
Are Masses celebrated by Bergoglio even valid? Does he still intend to do what the Church intends? Did he ever?
Only God can know that unless of course he does something that’s patently obvious and purposeful e.g. mangling the words of consecration to change their form.
This is likely the final nail in my Catholic coffin.
Depending on how the Pope behaves and what he utters in Sweden, I may soon begin the process of conversion to Orthodoxy.
1. To “Reconcile” with Lutherans and I used to be one, is too literally cross off several commandments now that are current Anathema with a majority of Lutheran denominations.
2. A friend of mine recently attended a “Lesbian Wedding” in which the “Lutheran Pastor” literally turned the sermon into a political screed, this is in a fairly rural part of the upper midwest, hardly “Chelsea, New York”..
All hands on deck, time to batton down the hatches in your parish & diocese, and demand orthodoxy from your local officers or pitch them overboard and demand replacements.
According to the above quotes from Guitton and Bugnini the new mass was supposed to be stripped of all things that are a stumbling block to heretics. So what’s the problem? Shouldn’t the Lutherans have no problem with the Novus Ordo? According to Francis even the Novus Ordo is a stumbling block for them.
I’m imagining that the men looking at Martin Luther’s theses in the painting look bewildered because they can’t read. The modernist Novus Ordo has drifted so far away from being a faith that seeks the conformity of our wills to our Lord’s will…it is just a fact. Does what they are doing get anyone any closer to Heaven…no, the rogue Swedish Lutheran Church is so filled with obscenity after obscenity. What to do?…Quit going to the Novus Ordo, it is a danger to your soul as well as those who see you going.
This “Reformation” business was already addressed in two ways – The Council of Trent and excommunication. Que pasa Papa Francisco? Christ was a man’s man, He would have told them they were wrong at the very least! Why the hand-wringing? Should have asked them if they forgot THEY left the ark of salvation that is the Catholic Church that was founded by Jesus Christ. Holy Spirit, I’m really leaning hard on you for this one !!!
Martin Luther merely used Cardinal Humbert as his model.