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Cardinal Caffarra Told Journalist that the Dubia Cardinals Were Being Monitored

Today, 12 September, the Spanish-speaking Catholic website Infovaticana published an important report about Cardinal Carlo Caffarra. It is of such worthiness that Giuseppe Nardi, the Vatican specialist of the German website Katholisches.info, has already reported on this story, which affirms that the dubia cardinals are being regularly monitored.

Gabriel Ariza, the journalist writing for Infovaticana, reports how a few months ago he himself had visited at his home in Bologna the recently deceased dubia cardinal, Carlo Caffarra. First, he describes the modest apartment in which Cardinal Caffarra had lived since his retirement, in 2015, as Archbishop of Bologna:

I must say that I was deeply moved by the simplicity with which the cardinal lived. Caffarra occupied a small apartment in one of the buildings of the seminary of Bologna. An apartment that needed a good renovation, with walls full of holes and hanging wires, and a heating system more than deficient. In Bologna, a cold city, Caffarra spent his hours surrounded by books, letters and papers, and he kept responding to any of the letters or emails he received from all over the world.

On the occasion of his visit, Cardinal Caffarra spoke with Ariza about many important topics, to include the message from Sister Lucia of Fatima concerning the struggle about marriage and the family, about the crisis stemming from Amoris Laetitia, as well as the subsequent publication of the dubia. While he maintained that he would rather be called a man who is having an affair with another man rather than to be considered an “enemy of the pope,” Cardinal Caffarra made it clear that there have been in the last decades, since Pope Paul VI, some unfortunate developments with regard to the papacy. Ariza reports, as follows:

One of the things that most worried him [Caffarra] was the conception that some people have of the papacy. I remember that he detailed two symptoms: the first being, when Pius XII wanted to change the discipline of the Eucharistic fast, he asked a theological commission not first to study the change, but first to tell him if he had the legitimacy to make that change. Such was the feeling that Pope Pacelli had with regard to his own smallness as the Supreme Pontiff. The second symptom was the cardinals’ oath. Caffarra said that, until Paul VI, the cardinals swore always to tell the truth, “and not what the Pope wants to hear.” Since the reforms of Montini, the cardinals now vow to defend the Pope with their blood.

It was here in the context of this very important distinction that Cardinal Caffarra – with all of his learning and life experience – made an explicit unexpected reference to the work of Professor Josef Seifert, that very same professor who now just has been dismissed from his Dietrich von Hildebrand Chair at the International Academy of Philosophy in Granada, Spain, for having written some polite but keen criticisms of the papal document Amoris Laetitia. As Ariza says: “On this point, he [Caffarra] recommended to me to read a great intellectual: Josef Seifert.” [my emphasis]

Gabriel Ariza also importantly reveals a part of his conversation with Cardinal Caffarra, where the cardinal confirms rumors about the four dubia cardinals’ being monitored. Ariza writes:

I told him that I had heard that he was being monitored, that his communications were being intercepted. He told me that he knew that the four cardinals who had made public the dubia were being observed, that they had their communications tapped and that they could do little more than seek some form of more secure communication. It was evident that this fact did not take away his own inner peace, namely, that some curial member could come to know the most intimate secrets of their conversations. For, he was a man of God, and it was Jesus Christ who came out of his mouth whenever he spoke.

Ariza himself then makes a reference to an earlier article by Edward Pentin, the Rome Correspondent of the National Catholic Register, who himself had reported about such phenomena of surveillance in Rome. Ariza sums up part of Pentin’s article, saying:

Pentin recounts, for example, how top-level officials avoid giving details of their work over the phone, how they do not talk about anything in the office or how they leave the cell phone outside the room whenever they have a confidential meeting. The IT [Information Technology] technicians of the Vatican, in fact, can gain remote access to the computers of any curial member, and, since Vatican City is not an example of secure procedural guarantees, the Vatican Gendarmerie can themselves use that system without first having to obtain a court order.

Gabriel Ariza himself confirms this sort of report by saying that he himself has already witnessed, on one occasion, “how a motorist watched the house door of an important cardinal, noting who is going up to him and how much time is spent together with the cardinal.”

Already in December of 2016, Steve Jalsevac had written for LifeSiteNews about similar reports coming to him and his colleagues from Rome.

Since I myself have worked for some years now with various members of the Roman Curia, I can confirm from my own experience, and from personal reports to me from high-ranking prelates, that, indeed, such monitoring is regularly taking place. In my own case, my e-mail address was at one time suddenly blocked from reaching certain Vatican addressees, and it was shortly after I myself had contacted some progressive curial members and afterwards had written a critical report about a Vatican event. In some cases, I had to switch my correspondence to the personal e-mail addresses. On another occasion, my telephone conversation with a Vatican clergyman was cut off accidentally, and our previous conversation kept being audibly and recurrently played back to me. (Some of these forms of surveillance might very well also include activities of foreign intelligence services.)

These are intimidating things and matters of moment. Yet, let us here follow, if we can, the courageous example of Cardinal Carlo Caffarra himself. For, we have nothing of culpability to hide and thus let us keep openly (and loyally) working for Christ.

125 thoughts on “Cardinal Caffarra Told Journalist that the Dubia Cardinals Were Being Monitored”

  1. If these things are going on I don’t think that the monitoring is carried out by forces within the Church but rather by the secular globalist interests whose agenda the current regime is seeking to advance and serve..

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    • It is very typical for the leftists. In the Eastern Germany there was a STASI, in the ex-Yugoslavia there was UDBA, etc. Nothing new and unexpected.

      Knowing that there is a monitoring in the Church and that it regards the faithful Catholic prelats, I wonder how all that is related to what has really happend with papacy of the Pope Benedict XVI and how does it reflect to the current situation in terms of personal freedom of the Pope Benedict XVI.

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      • “….for the sake of the Universal Church…”

        Just appearances I am afraid. And not a very worthy reason to allow further disintegration of the Church, its effect upon many, primarily the priests and faithful and laity, as well as the papacy.

        ‘For the sake of the universal Church’ has lost its glorifying reason for silence on the part of those whose duty it is to defend the faith and Holy Mother Church. Speak the Truth in AND out of season as our Lord stated.

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      • Rome has had spying and machinations long before the Stasi or CIA. Would they cooperate? Sure, but no one should be under the illusion that Rome is innocent of such things.

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  2. “For, he was a man of God, and it was Jesus Christ Who came out of his mouth, whenever he spoke.”…

    MAY GOD BE PRAISED, for Cardinal Caffarra, and for all of God’s loyal, Consecrated ones, that remain immobile and immovable! Rest in peace, Your Eminence!

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      • Men of courage at high levels are dwindling fast – we have just lost two sterling shepherds – C. Caffara and C. Meisner.
        I pray for the safety and well being of C. Burke and C. Brandmuller, as well as Archbishop Schneider – defenders of doctrine.

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  3. Not surprised. Not shocked. This is the stuff of moral idiocy, the result of the slow but sure corruption of the soul. Jesus did tell us to be wise as serpents but harmless as doves. At times one must be willing to oppose and outwit the cunning of the Enemy…wise as a serpent…

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  4. The Vatican has sometimes in its history resembled a pit of vipers, but this is worse than Gallican politicking or the arrogance of this or that party of a Papal candidate. It is positively Orwellian, reeking of the mafia gang where the Boss trusts no-one at all and enforces, not earns, loyalty with the occasional use of a baseball bat to the head.

    What are Bergoglio and his cabal? Priests forever according to the Order of Melchizadek or Bandits forever according to the Order of Some Tin-Pot Caudillo?

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  5. These men are great fools. God will not be mocked.

    “They prepared a snare for my feet; and they bowed down my soul. They dug a pit before my face, and they are fallen into it.” Psalm 57:6

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  6. “While he maintained that he would rather be called a man who is having an affair with another man rather than to be considered an “enemy of the pope,”

    That is a very odd and disturbing statement to me. I am sorry. I am having great difficulty with this statement.
    Such is the problem in the Church, such fear of being seen as an “enemy” of the pope at the expense at being seen as a homosexual cardinal?

    I am flabbergasted right now and a bit somber.

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      • The weakness within the hierarchy is staggering. Their fears are so unfounded, but after years and years of this ” blind obedience” what can one expect.
        To be seen in this light as a homosexual cardinal rather than to be seen as ” being an enemy” is beyond my understanding.

        I would like to think the cardinal did not really mean this, but was only in great exasperation at the situation in the Church and wanted to reaffirm his loyalty to the papacy.
        Yet, it is a disturbing statement for me.

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        • I agree with you cs. Maybe it’s just a poor choice of words, but
          with all the sexual problems in the Church, this area is like a
          raw, open wound. I literally recoiled form the computer
          when I read what he said. I think it’s a twofold thing.
          It’s not only the homosexual cardinal thing. it’s also
          that ALL these Popes since Vatican II (except maybe John
          Paul I -the 33 day Pope) pretty much should have had the good
          Cardinal as an enemy in many ways already, at least to some extent. I don’t exactly know how to say it, but these Popes
          consistently pelting you with a BB gun for 50 years, kind of dulls the previously normal aversion to being “against” or “an enemy”
          of the Pope when the Pope seems like he might be an enemy of the true Church. And PF then, just putting his hand on the
          back of your head and smashing everyone’s face consistently into the foul smelling manure. Maybe the Cardinal was really just lamenting the state of the Papacy, like “I never thought I would need to be seen as an enemy of the Pope” I would rather be seen as …. (this) than to have the Papacy degrade into
          something I would have to be the enemy of?????

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          • I think, he would indeed make a clear point that he rather wish to be (wrongfully, of course) seen even as a sinner against God but then with consequences for his own soul, than to be seen by people (again, wrongfully of course) as an enemy of the pontiff, because people became indeed more stupid than clever, when they seen a pope as a Christ on Earth. None of all of them (266 popes until now) were ever Christ of Earth. They SHOULD be as Christ (as we all should and must make each day our best effort to try to be like Christ). With this saying, they all were just the successors of the first among the equal, the same bishops, and perhaps just a little bit more (therefore the term ‘pope’), because he (they) get the keys from Christ.
            We should always keep in mind (and hearts) that Catholic Church is the Church of Christ, and not the Church of any Pope.
            “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church…” (Mt 16,18)
            And further: “…and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” (Mt 16,18)
            This ‘IT’ means the CHURCH, so Jesus was not speaking about the rock!
            So does it means that maybe one of the 266 ‘rocks’ can be heavily shaken, squeezed, even partly crushed? Or can we seen all of them together, all 266 popes as a small stones forming That rock? Eschatologically, we can.
            I am born and baptized as Catholic in a family that is most probably centuries-old Catholics. So therefore I’m not afraid that when I speak the truth, someone can accuse me of being an ‘enemy of the pope’, even when I’m saying things (which should and must be spoken for the sake of truth) which are not a pleasure for the ears of those who have gone astray in the faith, and the seen the pope almost literally as Christ on earth.
            Obedience first, always and above all to GOD and God’s commandments, and then to men.
            But only to men when he is speaking and acting according to God’s commandments and wishes. Even if he is the priest, bishop, cardinal or pope, when his words and/or deeds are against the Law of God, for them in such things obedience must be absent.

      • Actually I can see what he meant. He’d rather have people call him a sinner in the flesh than some evil agent or crank who just plots against the pope. I remember in JPII’s day that anyone who said they didn’t like the Divine Mercy image or objected to the canonization of St. Josemaria Escriva was told to shut up and accused of being a heretic or stupid or crazy and against the pope. That was enough to really chill people.

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          • Oh gosh. Well a lot of people hate Opus Dei and there are people who objected to the way the canonization was done. Some people complained that no testimony agaisnt Escriva’s character were allowed. I’d rather not upset anybody because OD is a hot button down-the-rabbit-hole subject but the point is that those who did object were mocked as being crazy as the Bayside seer devotees, and accused of being outside the church. I myself got exasperated at a friend who objected. I’m sorry for that now for a number of reasons. The accusation of “You’re against the pope!” is enough to shut timid people up. It can also get you fired in you work for a parish or the diocese.

          • I actually looked it up since I posted my question and am up to speed on the controversies. I definitely hafta say there were some irregularities, if everything I read was true.

          • There was no testimony from the Devil’s Advocate (as it used to be called) on anything that might mitigate his beatification because John Paul II did away with that office. It served a VERY valuable service and we really need this back!

    • It speaks to his great fidelity to the church and to the divinely established order. I don’t find it problematic at all. Cardinal Caffara clearly thought both were absolutely atrocious things… and both totally untrue. Even were he sitting on a tribunal in a council debating whether or not to declare a sitting pope a heretic (if such a thing is possible, I don’t know for sure), I don’t think he could be called an enemy of the pope. The pope is Christ on earth. In fact, in deposing a heretic, he would be doing the greatest work of love toward the papacy and by extension the pope that he could. Essentially, he is saying he would rather have his moral life maligned horrendously rather than be called an enemy of God’s church. It’s a shocking statement, but one I think we should ponder on.

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      • Yes, I do agree and understand the intentions of Cardinal Cafarra’s statement. But, the scandal that such a thing would cause boggles the mind. It is not just his moral life that would be at stake, would it?

        The pope is Christ on earth. And the pope is a man. And the man does not always correlate to Christ’s will, and in fact can go directly against Christ’s will.
        And…..there is nothing the laity can or should directly do about it. That is for the cardinals as established by our Lord. But at some point, a prince of the Church had not to worry
        about ” being seen as the enemy” of a pope/man, but must worry more about defending the faith, the papacy, when it is deemed over time, with great evidence, that one’s own concern about
        his role as enemy of the pope, must not be considered. At that point, I would disagree, respectfully, that the opinions of others matters little, even when those opinions paint a cardinal as an enemy. The Truth speaks louder than lies.

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        • Can someone please tell me where the Church considers the pope to be Christ on earth? Is he not, rather the Vicar of Christ? I know a saint said such things, but how does the Church view that statement? I get pious hyperbole but we need to be utterly clear about it. When he says Mass or hears confession, he is in persona Christi, but as pope in general does the Church believe he is Christ “on earth?”

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  7. The Bergoglian pontificate has unquestionably sunk to the reptilian level.
    A man of integrity with this on his hands would absent himself from office, and make known on his way out exactly everything he knows about this level of corruption.
    But that will not happen.
    What does it say about him and his sycophants?

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  8. Comrades, first of all Fraternal Socialist Greetings to all those Peasants and Workers who have asked the Great Stalin, Leader of the Groaning Proletarian Masses, to return to the Kremlin from his holiday in the Crimea and rejoin the fight against the top-hatted and silk-scarfed factory owner who sucks out the brains of the Toiler with a gold-plated straw!

    Once again the Great Stalin sits in the Happy Peasant Wifi Cafe sipping a Vodka Mochiatto while planning Socialist Justice for the Enemies of the People, those foul Wreckers and Spies otherwise known as the diabolical plotters of Nu-Church.

    Let battle commence.

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      • Thank you Comrade. Recuperated and positive after a period of deep depression at the state of the Church and of the world.

        Whatever good my comments can occasionally do – well, we’ll see. I place them and myself at the service of the Blessed Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

        I tried to pray the Thirty Day prayer to Our Lady recently for various serious intentions, but could only get half-way through due to said deep malaise.

        Yet one fruit of that half prayer is that my daughter, who was baptised by the SSPX back in 1989 but due to circumstances entirely out of her and my control has never been confirmed, never made a First Confession nor received Holy Communion, who in fact rejected religion altogether and declared herself an atheist, has recently started instruction in the Faith at one of the Oratories in Britain.

        May the Blessed and Holy Trinity be praised and adored forever, and may we venerate with full confidence Mary, the Mother of God.

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        • Well may God be praised at this good news for your daughter.

          Yes, I understand the sorrow you experience at the state of the Church and of the world.
          I do too. Deep malaise can easily set in. But, I like to think of it as ” a regrouping” of the mind, the soul, the body towards God.” A new beginning to put love into action in greater guidance by the Lord. I speak from my own personal experience.

          Our Lord has given you a great grace, a sign of His abiding love, in your daughter’s initial steps to what I sincerely pray is beautiful journey in the faith. I shall keep her in prayer.

          May our Lady be a Mother to you, as your own dear mother, pray God, in Heaven.

          Good to see you back and ready………I trust God knows you will do good for Him.

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          • Amen to that CS! Yes, my mother I am convinced is right now contemplating the glory of God and her simple, beautiful mother’s heart is pleading for her own nine children and for all of us.

          • Don’t forget to pray for her soul!

            I hope when I leave this valley of tears, someone will pray for me. Some people think I’m a saint but I struggle like everyone else.

            Btw, I finished the article you emailed me. I will take another look at it, make some corrections and email it back to you.

            I’ve been very worried about you. Btw…you need a shave ????.

          • The Church always prays for the faithful dead “pro fidelibus defunctis”. As St. Augustine in his work De cura per mortuis clearly says that the Church prays: “Pro omnibus in christiana et catholica societate defunctis” (“For all deceased in Christian and Catholic communion”)
            You said ‘I hope…’. But, it should be not wrong to daily pray now for your own intention that people may pray for your soul especially after you die.

            “Tribulation is a gift from God – one that he especially gives His special friends.” – St. Thomas More
            “Without the burden of afflictions it is impossible to reach the height of grace. The gift of grace increases as the struggle increases.” – St. Rose of Lima
            “The more we are afflicted in this world, the greater is our assurance in the next; the more sorrow in the present, the greater will be our joy in the future.” – St. Isidore of Seville
            “We always find that those who walked closest to Christ were those who had to bear the greatest trials.” – St. Teresa of Avila

        • Welcome back! Glad you have decided to come back into the fray and ‘give them heaps’. And what wonderful news about your daughter. May the gentle and most pure heart of Mary give her protection!

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        • Praise God for her conversion. I myself have a daughter in pretty much the same situation. I pray to our Blessed Mother and Saint Monica everyday for her return.

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        • Thank Cardinal Newman, Father Faber, Father Benson and so many other good “Oratorians” for these graces. All of them faced persecution but stayed ‘converted.’ So happy for your daughter. I remember well the day I called my poor mother to tell her I was “back in the Church’ after an absence of 30+ years. Grace, it’s all grace.

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    • I am so glad to see you back. You have been missed. The need for a break is well understood, but still, there was a hole without you about.

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    • Welcome back. There was a wicked rumour circulating that you were holed up in a luxurious Black Sea dacha with Miss Vladivostock No.3 Tractor Factory, but I knew that, even if it were true, your fatherly heart would really be with the heroic proletariat.

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      • Hey my dear brother. I am glad to see you again. 🙂
        But that statement above… Not necessarily. (See John 10: 12-13) There is a big difference between the wolf and the hireling.
        I think it is in this case not even appropriate to say ‘in some way’. God knows.
        Was not even the great prophet Elijah he who had fled to the cave … (See 1 Kings 19,9 -10)
        God knows.

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      • In many ways.

        How can a Catholic man who denies a dogma of the faith be elected Pope?

        And how can we say Ratzinger didn’t deny extra ecclesiam nulla salus when we have his writings from 1958, 1968 and recently all in agreement that he did?

        Or are all those documents merely “misunderstood” in this regard and really, he was talking about others’ denials of same?

        I am really confused by this and NEVER have I read a single attempt to assess these statements for what they appear to be.

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        • Well pointed Rod. I’m confused too. And just a little bit. That’s why I say,- God knows.
          Especially everything and everyone involved (or those who willingly and consciously shunned to be involved) into the EENS ISSUE.

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          • And in today’s world, “Church teaching” is so muddled it doesn’t just stop at EENS.

            We have all sorts of opinions that stand in stark contrast to what was taught before V2 that remain uncontested by the universal prelature on homosexuals, indissolubility of marriage, suicide, Limbo, presumption of God’s mercy, adultery, “remarriage”, just war, contraception, Real Presence, responsibility of the prelature/Pope to defend the faith, religious indifferentism, Islam, Protestantism, Luther, Communism, death penalty, authority of husband and wife in marriage, unity of the Faith/”synodalism”, inerrancy of Scripture, and no doubt I’ve missed some.

            To take one more…since WHEN were homosexuals, SODOMITES selected out of all the sinners of the world to require “respect, compassion, and sensitivity” as the CCC says? Can anyone imagine sodomites being spoken of with such terms before V2?

            And it goes on to state: “Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.” Well, writers of the CCC…how about the “unjust discrimination” of leaving out those who practice bestiality, kleptomaniacs, bank robbers and mass murderers from the list of sinners requiring special “respect, compassion, and sensitivity”?

            What about them? Don’t they deserve special mention at least?

          • I know. And yes, I think you’ve missed some for sure. In fact, we can’t even keep track of it any more, with their tempo…
            When I’ve read that quote from CCC, I went to see some more on the two online versions of the CCC from 1994.
            English…here: – http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm , and Croatian… here: – http://www.hbk.hr/katekizam/iii/18-pre1.html#RTFToC1
            But first what for me in your quoted text already was strange is this term ‘unjust discrimination’. I mean, when, where, and by who on the earth the term ‘just discrimination’ would ever used in any discussion?
            Isn’t word ‘discrimination’ already preliminarily determined as negative? In this case for sure.
            — noun: discrimination; The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
            “victims of racial discrimination”
            synonyms: prejudice, bias, bigotry, intolerance, narrow-mindedness, unfairness, inequity, favouritism, one-sidedness, partisanship; More
            sexism, chauvinism, racism, racialism, anti-Semitism, heterosexism, ageism, classism;
            . . .
            But it is much worse…
            As I say, everyone can take a look on the links I’ve posted above and see (again) a huge, enormous, tremendous difference in the English and Croatian versions of the line CCC 2358., where this sentence particularly attracted my attention:
            2358. En – “This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial.”
            2358. Cro – “Ne biraju oni svoje homoseksualno stanje; ono za vecinu njih predstavlja kusnju”
            (Translation 2358. Cro to English “They do not choose their homosexual condition; that for most of them is a trial)
            THIS IS just ridiculous! But I see all the time things like this, especially in the translations of the PF homilies, and other speaches where the worst things, which he constantly pronounce, are being cut out! Especially English translations are under heavy censorship! This is easy to follow on the official site of RadioVatican, and often times on other ‘catholic’ sites (also in foreign languages).
            But, to return to that statement above which is to find in Croatian version of the CCC,… And that all part about sodomites in both languages, seems to be written by no one else than JM sj!
            PS. I hope you own one exemplar of Baltimore Catechism…

          • Ivan, thank you for that.

            I have the Catechism of the Council of Trent. It is my favorite. And it need not discuss the Special Status of sodomites…because they don’t have any!

            I am always curious about the Catechism in other languages, and if it translates BACK to English the same way in other languages.

            I’d say the existence of the special status clause in the CCC is for most of us a trial!!

  9. Yes, in fact, we have seen this method of operation in the past. Whether it was the Russians, the Bulgarians, the East Germans or even the American CIA, they all used the same forms of spying and controlling. Although it may come as a shock to some the Vatican, itself, is not above reproach. After all, they went to great lengths to cover up and mislead anyone who was curious about the death of the Commander of the Swiss Guards and his wife. They then blamed it on a poor young guardsman who, although it was never proven, was most probably murdered. Do we think for one solitary second that Lucifer has not many, many at his command?

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    • Re your last sentence: Remember when someone told the prophet Elisha they were outnumbered, Elisha said (I’m paraphrasing here; may he forgive me) that there are more of us than them – and then Elisha and the other person saw an immense army of angels.

      Pray to St. Michael and the Holy Angels and to Our Lady, Queen of the Angels.

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        • And he knew the Third Secret of Fatima because in 1977 when he was still Cardinal Luciani, he was on pilgrimage to Fatima and *Sister Lucia* asked to see him. She told it to him personally, after which he said: “It’s horrible! It’s horrible!”

          It seems like the Enemy is doing his utmost to stifle the words of Our Lady, who is Queen of the Angels. When it IS revealed, that’s the beginning of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

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          • Margaret, I read that after talking with Sister Lucia, he planned to do the Consecration of Russia as Our Lady requested. That would be enough reason for the enemy to stop him. They know this will be their end!

          • An interesting one… imagine if he had taken the name Pius XIII. He seems to have been in the same mold as Montini otherwise, though… certainly not as attractive to a trad as Cardinal Siri…

      • It was a nasty mess. The Vatican Officials stonewalled the young Guardsman’s family and the Authorities of both Italy and Switzerland. right up to the present day.

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    • Always refreshing to look back and, with an ever clearer understanding of the developments under this pontificate, to realize the vapid and unreasonable arguments made by those preaching against Church doctrine.

      -When we’ll understand Christ’s vision in full. Correct me if I’m wrong but we will NEVER understand Christ’s vision in full. We will see the Divine Plan but can never fully understand it as God does.
      -The teaching and doctrine of the Church must be in harmony but we must allow for different interpretations, local customs and practices to be taken into account. Uh…does that even require commentary?
      -All of that followed up with local bishops being attacked from sycophants for implementing things in accord with their local custom (a/k/a prerogatives). So can or can not what Archbishop Chaput calls for in Philadelphia be different than what the Jesummists call for in Argentina? If not than explain the local customs and practices language….

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  10. Rest in peace Cdl Cafarra. Your dubia will bear great fruit in the fight against this heresy. AL is very confusing that contradict Jesus’ teaching on the sacredness of the body. The Conscience of man cannot be used to discern grey situations – Jesus did not give us a grey option. Either he was the biggest hoax that has fooled billions of people over the centuries OR he was the son of God.

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  11. Bergoglio = Castro in a cassock.

    El Lider maximo.

    Better be careful, comrade. You wanna see some o’ my “mercy”, you “rigid” sumbitch?!”

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  12. “While he maintained that he would rather be called a man who is having an affair with another man rather than to be considered an “enemy of the pope”…

    I for one am glad to know there is, or was, at least one Catholic Cardinal who considers the former an insult…

    The man just rose another notch in my opinion, which is hard considering all I know about him places him right near the top.

    As for the article, I’m not surprised one bit about any of it. In fact, I’d be shocked it it WASN’T true.

    Cardinals must learn to be righteously combative. And to never give up. The Church needs men who are not afraid to be combative in the service of the Lord; To name names, to fight, to expose and to condemn when necessary. Being a peacemaker is one thing. Doing good after good and not engaging in public battle the enemies of Jesus Christ and His Church is another.

    I’m afraid dear Cardinal Caffarra was of the generation that believed it was the exclusive duty of a Churchman to do good and to teach good and to leave the condemnation and direct defense to others.

    Cardinal Burke sums it up well, here;

    “Tolerance is a virtue, but it is certainly not the principal virtue; the principal virtue is charity… Charity means speaking the truth. I have encountered it (not speaking the truth) many times myself as a priest and bishop. It is something we simply need to address. There is far too much silence — people do not want to talk about it because the topic is not ‘politically correct.’ But we cannot be silent any longer.”

    Raymond Card. Burke

    And Burke can hardly be described as displaying a career of righteous combat.

    The 4 Dubia Cardinals arrived at the barroom fight late. 2 have hit the floor. 2 are left standing. It would be “nice” if the remaining 2 didn’t have to handle the whole crowd by themselves.

    They are not spring chickens after all.

    Rest in peace, Cardinal Caffarra, and if you are where we hope you are, please ask the Lord to throw us a line.

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  13. There were three deaths of conservative Cardinals in too short a period of time. Cardinal Joachim Meisner (died July 5th), Cardinal Carlo Caffara (died Sept. 6), and Cardinal Velasio De Paolis (died Sept.9th). They were conservative and all strong defenders of marriage. Cardinal DePaolis was also a canon law scholar. We can’t forget that it was Cardinal Caffara who received a letter from Lucia of Fatima that said “the final battle will be about marriage and the family.” Pray for Cardinals Raymond Burke and Walter Brandmuller.

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  14. Expose every Freemason, pedophile, Jew, communist, KGB, CIA… everyone who doesn’t work for Christ and His church, all who hate the Fatima message. Kick them out. Kick all the Jews of the New Jews World Disorder out of Christ’s Church. TAKE BACK OUR LORD’S CHURCH. We are his soldiers. Time to do a real fighting. We don’t have to obey Satan’s chosen ones… Hell no.

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  15. So we are being monitored? I hope so. It shows that the cultural Marxists now in control of the Vatican are scared. They need to be scared, as God is certainly not on their side.

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