The Archbishop of Granada, Spain, H.E. Msgr. Francisco Javier Martínez Fernández, has released a note to all the faithful of his archdiocese in which he adopts for his own archdiocese the highly objectionable directive on the implementation of chapter VIII of Amoris Laetitia, issued by the bishops of the pastoral region of Buenos Aires. This is especially discouraging as Archbishop Martínez has in the past been known for his courage and orthodoxy (cf. Rorate’s 2006 report on his decision to remove his seminarians from the Granada theological college).
A Google translation of the relevant portion of the original (posted in Spanish at the Granada archdiocesan website) reads:
That same day, the Holy Father has written a note of thanks and support for this note of Bishops of the Region of Buenos Aires. In this brief note, we also reminded the bishops the responsibility we have to help and accompany the priests -our neighbors more “next” – in this way open to a “pastoral ‘melee’,” which is perhaps the first and most decisive movements of a Church ‘ “output” output to the reality of men and women of our time, to families, and especially to those that are broken, living delicate moments or They are in particularly difficult situations. Undoubtedly, for all, priests and laity, and starting with me, pastoral approaches Amoris Letitia and these criteria and this note are a powerful call to conversion. We have a way to go to do, which may be long and not always be easy, but it is extremely exciting, and opens the way to the new time and deeply rooted in the tradition of the Church, our mission as a people God and the Body of Christ in this hour of history.
Today, through this my note, I assume as their own and “enacted”, so to speak, the criteria of Bishops of the Region of Buenos Aires for all the Catholic faithful of the Diocese of Granada, and also I have, with my help and all other necessary, whether the Delegation of Family and Life that break out this task to disseminate and explain these criteria and help put into practice.
Some nuance is no doubt lost in machine translation, as it were, but the gist is clear: The Argentinian bishops of the Buenos Aires reason — with the endorsement of the pope — have once again paved the way.
Steve: It’s even more extreme than your translation here allows. The bishop says that he himself is “promulgating”, so to speak, ” los criterios de los Obispos de la Región de Buenos Aires para todos los fieles católicos de la Diócesis de Granada” (that is, “the criteria of the Bishops of the Buenos Aires area for all the Catholic faithful in the Diocese of Granada”). In other words, he is backing COMPLETELY the alarming notions put forth by the Argentinian prelates. There simply could not be a stronger, more fulsome espousal on Martinez’s part of the Buenos Aires position. The rest of his statement is replete with the same hogwash we hear frequently from Francis concerning this matter, high-sounding malarkey that ultimately seeks to paper over what’s actually going on, viz. an attempt to override the constant teaching and practice of the Catholic Church since the time of St. Paul.
Well that’s depressing.
“The Archbishop of Granada, Spain, H.E. Msgr. Francisco Javier Martínez Fernández, has released etc…”
Abshp Fernandez et al continue to redefine the partisan term “…In the tank for….” to “….In the toilet for….” The level of demonic dementia continues to reveal itself. May the apostates come out of the shadows and rapidly reveal themselves.
This is another example of the “Catholic” church abandoning the truth to accommodate the secular.
The dike has been cracked, so shortly will come the flood. It will only get worse until God says ENOUGH! We will soon see wrath unheard of before.
I know how you feel but actually God mysteriously gave the Canaanites probably over four hundred years of cannibalism of their own children prior to having the Jews invade and massacre to some extent. We know this from Genesis 15:16 where God says He waits til their evil is complete. Christ scarily says this concept to the elders in Jerusalem….”now fill up the sins of thy ancestors”….the scariest phrase handsdown from Christ for any nearby Jew who knew the concept of completed evil from Gen.15:16. The mercy part? We know from Wisdom 12 that God worked on the Canaanites with lesser punishments for four hundred years so as to prevent their herem massacre being necessary….ditto for the Jews prior to God killing in Jerusalem, 70AD… via the Romans…600,000 ( Tacitus) to 1.1 million ( Josephus).
It sounds like you have the attitude of another 400 years or the like. In any case, we have had 2000 years to convert the world, as well as grace and sacraments, far more than OT folks. Jesus told St faustina less than 100 years ago about this being the last time before Divine Justice. Approved Akita talks about fire falling from the sky. We have the great apostasy in front of our eyes and the return of Islam. Time is very short. I say 1 year max, which is the 100th anniversary of Fatima. Reread the 3rd secret.
You do know that approved does not mean mandatory. Private revelations are not mandatory for Catholics.
You do know that approved private revelation is worth magnitudes than your opinion, right?
Put “more” after “magnitudes”. Attached are we to a certain prophecy?
No, not one prophecy but quite a few. The Bible says that God doesn’t do anything without first revealing it to His prophets. That you don’t recognize the signs of the times says a lot. Know also the Bible, sudden destruction will come upon them. Those that aren’t prepared are in trouble. While it is possible to be saved without private revelation, does God do it for fun or for nothing because you can be saved without it? No, He does it in *prudence* for our benefit. It is astronomically imprudent to ignore the prophetic Word of God. You’ll see soon enough.
Give us scriptural verse for ” Bible says that God doesn’t do anything without first revealing it to His prophets”.. chapter and verse. In general, never make a claim like that without proof. And even if you find it, it’s referring to Biblical prophets probably…ergo post Bible prophets are not mandatory for Catholics.
It is easy to look up if you make any effort at all. Amos 3:7 “For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.” Your gravely erroneous conclusion that this part of the Bible expired or was limited to Bible times only shows how little you know about the faith. St. Paul says “He that prophesieth, speaketh to men unto edification” (1 Corinthians 14:3):. St. Thomas Aquinas says this about prophecy: “Prophecy is one of those gifts which are for the manifestation of the Spirit, not for the necessity of salvation” (Summa, 1st Part of the 2nd Part, Q. 68, Article 3). “As regards the guidance of human acts, the prophetic revelation varied not according to the course of time, but according as circumstances required, because as it is written (Proverbs 29:18), “When prophecy shall fail, the people shall be scattered abroad.” **Wherefore at all times men were divinely instructed about what they were to do**, according as it was expedient for the spiritual welfare of the elect. ” (Summa, 2nd Part of the 2nd Part, Q. 174, Article 6). Also in the same section: “The prophets who foretold the coming of Christ could not continue further than John, who with his finger pointed to Christ actually present. Nevertheless as Jerome says on this passage, “This does not mean that there were no more prophets after John. For we read in the Acts of the Apostles that Agabus and the four maidens, daughters of Philip, prophesied.” John, too, wrote a prophetic book about the end of the Church; **and at all times there have not been lacking persons having the spirit of prophecy, not indeed for the declaration of any new doctrine of faith, but for the direction of human acts.** Thus Augustine says (De Civ. Dei v, 26) that “the emperor Theodosius sent to John who dwelt in the Egyptian desert, and whom he knew by his ever-increasing fame to be endowed with the prophetic spirit: and from him he received a message assuring him of victory.” Notice **all times**. There is nothing so bad as a man who closes his eyes and refuses to see based on defective opinion. They will be opened quite dramatically in the next year.
And yet….post Bible prophecies are not binding on Catholics. So you are outside the Church perhaps in this area. Post Bible prophecies are not binding on Catholics. That’s why we have a Church instead of just the sayings of Augustine etc. The Summa T. of St. Thomas also held that children of slave mothers are slaves…..that’s why we have a Church…to correct him.
“That’s why we have a Church…”
“So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the holy ones and members of the household of God [the Church], built upon the foundation of the *apostles and prophets*, with Christ Jesus himself as the capstone.”
Ephesians 2:19-20
“This is especially discouraging as Archbishop Martínez has in the past been known for his courage and orthodoxy.”
Matthew 24:24: “For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive, if possible, EVEN THE ELECT.”
By their fruits …
There’s no problem here, all he’s asking his diocese to do is to introduce formation courses to deal with undesirable issues such as sexually active teenagers, people getting divorced or having abortions and to help those suffering from these. Apparently there’s a diocesan-wide inititive called the Rachel Project and that’s how he envisions this would happen. It sounds to me he’s just trying to welcome people back into the Church (not giving them communion!) but by starting a dialogue and trying to help them. Isn’t that very Jesus-like? “Tend my sheep” comes to mind
No.. Jesus Christ spoke the Truth!