Over at The Stream, John Zmirak and Jason Jones have published an open letter to Pope Francis rejecting his bullying of Christians who do not accept unchecked Muslim immigration as a Gospel imperative:
Your Holiness,
In the light of the recent martyrdom at the altar of Fr. Jacques Hamel at the hands of ISIS militants, and mounting vicious outrages in Western countries — including uncounted acts of sexual aggression violating the modesty and human dignity of women — we Catholic laymen call upon you, with all filial respect, to clarify and correct your previous statements on the proper attitude of Christians toward large-scale Islamic immigration into historically Christian countries.
In the past, especially in your comments at Lampedusa in 2013, you have chosen harsh language to characterize those of us who differ with your estimate of the wisest actions for the common good, and the best application of the Church’s official teaching on immigration, as stated in theCatechism of the Catholic Church. Those who opposed for prudential reasons the acceptance of hundreds of thousands of mostly economic migrants from Muslim regions of Africa were compared both to the murderer Cain and the tyrannical butcher Herod.
This is frankly unfair, and deeply misleading. Was Cain protecting the common good when he slaughtered Abel? Was Herod concerned for the religious liberty and civic peace of Bethlehem when he butchered its infants? Yet those of us who differ with your optimism about mass Muslim immigration found ourselves linked to each of those villains in your remarks. We do not think it wise or prudent to reward migrants for making a potentially deadly journey to Europe on makeshift boats with the “prize” of long-term residence and public support — a prize which cannot help but encourage millions of others to attempt the same deadly journey, to lands that do not require their labor and are already suffering from the intolerance and militancy of resurgent political Islam.
If we might presume to remind you, Church teaching on this issue is quite general and capacious, as the following text from the Catechism of the Catholic Church makes clear:
The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.
Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants’ duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens. (2241)
This set of luminously clear principles admits of broad interpretation at the hands of those whose proper vocation is to set public policy: the free citizens of democratic nations, most of whom are laymen. While the Church has a duty to set out such general principles, their correct application has always been left to the prudence of statesmen and citizens. Your predecessors Leo XIII and St. John Paul II were quite explicit in stating that the charism of the Successor of St. Peter grants him no special insights into the technical or policy aspects of living out Catholic social teaching.
Discerning that is our vocation as citizens. Doing so as citizens of individual sovereign countries is our right and duty, according to the Church’s teaching on subsidiarity. It would be, in Pope Pius XI’s words, a “an injustice and at the same time a grave evil and disturbance of right order” (Quadrogesimo Anno) to deprive such nations of their power to make such decisions crucial to the well-being of their citizens, granting that power instead to centralized bureaucratic authorities that lack democratic accountability, such as the European Union or the United Nations.
There’s a good bit more, and I think they make a worthwhile case. Some will no doubt quibble with their invocation of Pope John Paul II’s apology tour back in 2,000, but I don’t think it should get in the way of the larger point.
With Francis saying that the war with Islam (and the martyrdom of Fr. Hamel) is “a war of interests, over money, nature’s resources and the domination of peoples” and not religious in nature, it’s not likely he’s going to listen. That doesn’t mean, however, that we shouldn’t talk. It’s past time we all started pushing back against any political or religious leadership that wants us to accept suicide by Islam. If they want to keep up the nonsense, we need to keep up the noisy reply.
I’m not sure that PF cares at all about what they think but I sure do.
I thank them both for this.
Bravo. When I read the Pope’s comment that this is not a “religious war”, “Understand?” I immediately thought, no I do not understand, please explain what in the world we are talking about, dear Papa. And I also thought if this is not a religious war, then has there ever been a religious war? He claimed all religions seek peace. Okay, so no religious wars have ever occurred. Got it.
It’s as though nothing true ever comes out of his mouth except by accident.
My brother bishops-to-be Jason and John:
What have you done to alleviate the plight of the unemployed young?
Or the loneliness of oldsters?
Have you sworn off air conditioning this summer?
Have you knelt before the poor?
Or do you, like the folks in Osorno, suffer from stupidity?
Yours sincerely in equality, liberty, and fraternity,
Jorge
P.S. I love the alliteration of our first names, at least on paper. We could make a great team. On paper.
Look at that picture and figure it out .Is that the Pope!He can’t genuflect at Mass yet he does this filthy thing.
Yes it is truly a vile and cowardly sight. I almost expected him to load up the Alitalia jet with Muslim “refugees” and dump them in Krakow.
Poland is not all that overly thrilled with his ‘visit.’ They have ‘long memories’ as the Pope himself says, but they ‘must get rid of their negative memories’…….just keep the ‘positive forgiving ones’. Poland, that was oppressed, terrorized and brutalized by the Nazis mercilessly. Poland, where they executed and tortured innocent people…..priests, nuns, laity. And NOW this ‘Pope’ is saying…..let bygones be bygones, wipe your memories clean of this and welcome the ‘refugees’ with open arms, love them, care for them regardless of whether they end up decapitating you, and terrorizing your people……..YET AGAIN. But, Christ does expect us, and actually demand of us to protect ourselves and defend ourselves…..according to the Catholic faith that I know. He’s not reading the same Catechism of the Catholic Church that I am.
What in the world is WRONG with this guy? Does he even know what their recent past entails??? I’m sorry, but he doesn’t think with a rational brain, let alone a Catholic brain. I heard a phrase that fits perfectly with the far left thinking brain that fits perfectly here……..”Reality is optional”. (for them) Is it any wonder that the Polish people are put off by this guy???
Yes thank you for writing all this
My parents etc. (not Polish), witnessed the slaughter of their families; ethnic cleansing of whole villages in WW2. Sure, forgive; maybe his parents had no stories for him. He’s like the “Hallmark-card-pope.” “Wishing you a beautiful Day!” He’s a polititian. I think its not only ALRIGHT in this case for Catholics to show our dislike, its important. Lets get the show on the road. Not funny.
Absolutely Claudia! It’s WAY past time we raise our voices in opposition to the false ‘notions’ this Pontiff is so proudly proclaiming to the world. His ‘message’ is dangerous, VERY dangerous in this time of upheaval and violent insurgence of some of these ‘so called’ ‘innocent’ refugees. Like we should all be sitting ducks and welcome the insanity and violence these people are inflicting upon the West. Like the Polish people are supposed to invite and even ‘welcome’ the slaughter all over again. Not rational…..it’s insanity.
Hey Philip, don’t forget about the beach ball on the altar while Pope and the tango in front of the altar when he was a cardinal in Argentina.
Not to be mean spirited, but the heat wave we are having would kill many elderly, and young, if it weren’t for air conditioning! Just a thought, to those who live in stone palaces, on top of seven hills. (Or large stone, and brick houses)!
Jesus didn’t Kiss his apostles feet on my version of the foot washing in the farewell discourses in John.
There’s something perverse and strikingly showboaty in a narcissisistic, homoerotic way about that picture.
It’s deeply wrong, not merely disturbing.
Oh dear, yes.
“and standing at his feet behind [Him] weeping, began to wash his feet with tears; and she wiped them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet…” Luke 7:38 the scene where a sinner kisses the feet of her savior…
And?
compare the two and what do you see?
One is worship.
One is worship. By a repentant sinner honoring her Savior. In the above picture it makes me think of just who is playing the part of the “repentant sinner” (perhaps begging forgiveness for past offenses or perceived wrongs and demonstrating a sign of submission) and who is playing the part of the “savior”
Enoch Powell: 1: The Supreme Function of Statesmanship
“The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.”
When French patriot begins to respond to Jihad by burning down mosques and refugee camps in defense of their homeland the blood will be on the hands of the political and spiritual leaders who refused to do their duty.
They are the ones who will be ultimately responsible for the late-arriving-but-inevitable-response to this evil.
It took over four centuries for the pacific Christian to respond to Jihad with a Crusade; hopefully, French patriot will wait not longer than 450 more minutes.
Strike back, NOW
Strike back when the authorities are not looking for if they catch you, YOU will go to jail, not the Mahometans who have declared war on you.
Strike back in anonymity.
Strike back hard, fast, and deadly in stealth.
Strike with steely conviction and grave determination and cause to grow in the minds of each Mahometan a grave fear that you, French Patriotic Christian, might strike each one of them without a moment’s notice.
Your putative leaders will learn to follow you, eventually.
The pope says that all religions want peace, including Islam. Well, he’s right.
Islam does want peace. It’s just that, in order to get to the peace they want, all non-Muslims have to be killed or subjugated.
Islam is an ideology not a religion/faith. Muhammad was a deviant on several levels so certainly could not be judged as holy or devout. As Cardinal Burke has recently stated Islam wants to rule the world & anyone that gets in the way must be done away with.
As there is only one True Faith (the one that Jesus founded on His Apostles), the rest of man made ‘religions’ should not be afforded the acclaim our Modernist Pope & Bishops accord them. Quite the opposite, they should be exposed for what they are & denounced as depraved (which Islam is) or at best devoid of the necessary tenets & means for eternal salvation.
Yep.
Nope.
Are you familiar with Islam’s Holy lie called taqiya? Or are you doing it?
“They make a desert and call it peace.” – Celtic chieftain Calgacus refering to the Romans before leading his warriors against them in 83 AD.
“The pope says that all religions want peace…”
If there were more than one religion,
then how would peace be possible?
AMEN! and if they are all the same then why are there multiple?
Marc, Exactly, a prime example of why this statement of “all religions want peace” is not true can be proven by the way that the Coptics are treated in Egypt or how Christians are treated in Pakistan, Asia Bibi amongst many others are still facing the death penalty for their faith.
Not true.
Sorry, but you’re totally brainwashed.
Quran Verse (8:12) – English Translation
Chapter (8) sūrat l-anfāl (The Spoils of War)
Sahih International: [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”
Pickthall: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
Yusuf Ali: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”
Shakir: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Muhammad Sarwar: Your Lord inspired the angels saying, “I am with you. Encourage the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and you will strike their heads and limbs;
Mohsin Khan: (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, “Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.”
Arberry: When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!’
please keep educating thnx
Muhammad was a military leader. He was more of a general than a guru. Historical records (Islamic and secular) record the battles and raids of Muhammad. Here’s a Quran verse on that topic: Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”
In the pattern of Muhammad, leaders of Islam are not immams, pastors, or priests. They are political militaristic leaders. Here’s a Quran verse on that topic: “Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you.”
Why did the Crusades (the first pan-Christian wars) begin in the middle east after Islam began invading and attacking Christian settlements in the 8th through 11th centuries? Could it be that Islam introduced something new the euro-asian political sphere that got things out of whack?
The Quran contains a mandate to kill
The first example explains how those who wage war against Allah should be:
crucified
murdered
have their hands cut off
have their feet maimed
imprisoned
Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement.”
Here’s a verse criticizing Muslim’s remain “peaceful” and refuse to fight:
Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.”
Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)”
Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”
Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe, fight in the cause of Allah…”
Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah”
Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”
So there are words from the Quran.
If you want to understand a religion, read its original texts. They will show you the truth on the matter. Again, make your own conclusions.
http://www.catholic365.com/article/4557/islam-its-place-in-salvation-history-and-its-theological-nature.html
Peace in Islam is submission to it, not peaceful coexistence.
Once again, the Pope was misquoted. I think what he said was that Mahometanism is a religion of pee.
Don’t forget that Mahomet (PLAG) peed like a girl and as the perfect man in Islam, all men must imitate him and so all Mahometan men must pee while squatting – pee like a girl
https://youtu.be/r7nLo2AK4fs
Love love love this. You really made me laugh. Oh my gosh. We need more people with this sense of humor. Being able to speak about truth with a bit of insulting and humor.
Thumbs up loved this
At World Youth Day, he’s just raking the Polish people over the coals for not taking in refugees. What’s the matter, you got better things to do than get your throat cut by a Jihadi? For shame, Poland.
The Chair of Peter is not a bully pulpit.
Not only not a ‘bully pulpit’, but not called to castigate people for trying to uphold authentic Catholicism. This idea of pacifism in the face of slaughter is as anti Catholic as it gets.
Rutler had a great article in which he wrote…. ~pacifism defaces peace~ or something like that.
Ok this feels bad. I dont know whats up with the man, but something smells really bad. I just got the flesh-crawling thing from your post, Matt.
Please pray but can we all please stick together & get VERY noisy indeed? at all levels. Start with your priest & bishop. Copy their letter & sign it.
So here is the trap (set by modernists) for those who base their critique of Islam on complaints of “intolerance,” “militancy” and “political” activity. The exact same complaints were made by Liberals against Catholicism in course of the 19th century — in Germany during the Kulturkampf, in France during the Third Republic, and in the United States from its founding up until the early twentieth century.
If you don’t hear these complaints being made against Catholicism today, it can only be because several generations of modernists within the Church have internalized the liberal critique of Catholicism and far too many prelates have learned to be comfortable in the safe little cage of ‘religion’ that the secularists have prepared for them.
No, Islam is not a religion by Enlightenment (i.e modernist) standards of “religion”; but then again by those same Enlightenment standards neither is traditional Catholicism. “Religion” as understood by John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, protestant theologians, and modernist catholics (not to mention the U.S supreme court) is the space in our heads where the state permits us to have private devotional beliefs about our Creator or the next life. Step outside that space, and one is labeled alternatively ‘political,’ ‘militant,’ or ‘intolerant.’
The secularists and Vatican ecumenists (of which Francis is the first) share a common strategy of reshaping Islam (by a combination of ‘dialogue’ and wishful thinking) into a tame modern “religion” along the lines of the main stream protestant denominations. When we stop treating Islam as a public policy challenge and start seeing it as a very dangerous (and false) heretical sect, we can begin addressing its real pain points / vulnerabilities which happen to be primarily theological (and secondarily historical to the extent that the foundational myth of Islam has no grounding in history).
Remember that most of politics, banks, business, economies, wars, media are controlled by a few very rich families, its not a conspiracy theory. Rothschild, Rockefeller, illuminati etc. are not pretend. Their fingers are on everything; they are satan’s people. They want a puppet pope? They get a puppet “pope.” Only president of US they didnt control (& his election in first place was a miscalculation on their part) J Carter. There are likely some big reasons Benedict16 resigned, not age. Unfortunately because the church has central governance makes their game easier.
Example infiltration of homosexuals & atheist communists into seminaries long before Vat 2.
This is all too true! And…….the media, and their useful idiots label people that point out these facts as ‘conspiracy theorists’. They wear ‘tin foil hats’. Ridiculing truth and reality is one of Saul Alinsky’s rules for radicals. They are all playing the same game.
Oh, and BTW, the media is also under their control.
Your first paragraph is very weak. Traditional Catholicism has never addressed the threat of mahaometanism in that manner and so there is no such trap existing. I think you mistake the false accusations against Catholicism as being generally accurate when they are not whereas intolerance, militancy, and political complaints about Mahometanism are accurate but insufficient.
Mahometanism divides the world up into two areas- the area of peace( where Sharia Law rules) and the area of war (all non-mohematan lands) and Mahometanism has never thought of the state as being a perfect society – but Catholicsm has; it considers the Church and the State as a perfect society
The differences are not only magnified in reality, they are exhaustively long and your last paragraph really needs to be informed by what Lawrence Auster said re how the west reacts to mahometanism via non-discrimination and, no, the liberals do not think Mahometanism can be reformed nor should it be.
For liberals, Mahometanism is a religion of peace and beauty and it can only enrich us by its presence in our country.
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/012935.html
I’m actually arguing (not very persuasively it would seem) for the traditional Catholic approach to Islam and against the modernist approach, which I think Jones and Zmirak have embraced. Modernists/secularists judge “religions” by a set a of “secular” (i.e. false) standards. Traditional (i.e. authentic) Catholicism (which has never accepted the so-called Enlightenment’s cramped concept of “religion” ) judges by another standard — the standard of Truth.
The quotations in my first paragraph come from Zmirak and Jones’s open letter to the Pope on Muslim Immigration (not from any Traditional Catholic critique of Islam). It is Zmirak and Jones’s who use the words “intolerance”, “militancy” and “political” in their description of (“resurgent”) Islam. This part of my argument can hardly be false, because you can read those same three quoted words in the last sentence of the third paragraph of Zmirak’s and Jones’s letter.
By secularist / modernist standards, both traditional Catholicism and Islam are indeed “intolerant,” “militant” and “political.” Our Church is intolerant; we are intolerant of evil. We are “militant”; we are the Church militant. Our Church is “political,”; all political authority comes from Christ, and Christ is King of all persons at all times. Islam is also intolerant; it is intolerant of Christ. Islam is militant; Muslims war against Christ. Islam is “political,” but it denies the authority of Christ, placing an idol in His place. It is not, therefore, intolerance, militancy, or political activity that distinguishes Islam from Catholicism. What distinguishes Catholicism from Islam is this: Christ is the Truth; Islam is the opposite.
“For liberals, Mahometanism is a religion of peace and beauty and it can only enrich us by its presence in our country.” Yes and no. Liberals have been (disingenuously) using Islam as a foil to call attention to the alleged failings of Catholicism since at least the 19th century — romanticized /orientalist images of a benign “Islam” (including glowing accounts of an alleged ‘Convivencia’ in the Iberian peninsula) are conjured and then used to make unflattering comparisons with an allegedly ‘backward/intolerant’ Christendom. These comparisons usually involve a Disney version of Islam and a recycled Leyenda Negra of Catholicism. “Islamists” (for lack of better term) have also learned to play this game, flooding the web in recent years with fairytale accounts of an ‘Andalusian Paradise’ and tendentious tales of ‘Muslim’ science and philosophy.
O, ok, Evagarius. I didn’t know you were quoting Zmirak – who is not a trad.
Sorry. I apologise.
I generally agree with your amended recapitulation of the problem aside from its obvious (necessary? ) truncation as to 1/3 of the Church being described as Militant, but not suffering and triumphant.
You give liberals WAY too much “credit.” They are notoriously ignorant and easily elide into emotionalism as a putative thesis.
I doubt one in one hundred million liberals have ever read the Koran, a single Sunnah to say nothing of Sira.
No need to apologize. I should have more clearly signaled that I was quoting Zmirak. I’m glad to hear that Zmirak is not a trad. I don’t know any of his other writing, but I struggle to see anything traditional in his Open Letter. I also wonder why it is getting so much publicity on traditional Catholic sites. As far as I can tell, Zmirak’s letter is merely the neo-conservative modernist wing of the Church attacking the neo-marxist modernist (i.e Francis) wing of the Church.
World Youth Day in Poland should have been boycotted by all Catholics, for one reason only – Pope Francis will be there.
I hear numbers are very much down from what was expected. Only 400,000 registrants when they had expected 2 million? Can any one verify? Would be very encouraging to hear that the Poles are rejecting that serpent Bergoglio.
I read the same thing. He was going to get a very ‘chilly’ reception. One reporter in Poland said: ‘No one here is anxious for the Pope’s visit’.
I believe it. My ancestry is Polish. I consider his finger pointing at Poland to be an insult. Notice that the Pontiff never goes to France, Spain, Portugal, Holland or Germany to demand an end to abortion or gay marriage or pornography. Polish Catholics have no need of his presence or words.
This Pope has insulted SO MANY of us, the Poles number one, but he has rudely insulted Catholics who are traditionally minded as well……..more than once!! I’m not Polish, but I was offended (yet AGAIN!) by his finger pointing and calling on the carpet the Polish people for their faithfulness to authentic Catholic values. It’s terrible to say, and I DO INDEED pray for him every day, but if he were to visit the U.S. again, I wouldn’t walk across the street to see him.
In the middle of mass this am a middle eastern looking man walked into our church carrying a large backpack and proceeded to kneel in our Blessed Sacrament chapel near the front of our church. As I approached the altar to read the Prayers of the Faithful I noticed he was praying the rosary. I felt an amount of relief. Aside from the inappropriate nature of doing this in the middle of mass, I myself found myself very uncomfortable. With PF pushing the unvetted Syrian refugees upon our lands, this will happen much more frequently.
Steve, have you caught Jimmy Akin’s piece over at Catholic Answers regarding the question of if Father’s death was really a martyrdom?
http://www.catholic.com/blog/jimmy-akin/martyrdom-is-more-than-being-killed-for-your-faith
I have my own thoughts on this, but would like to see more from different quarters now that time is passing.
I was going to write in similar vein to Bergoglio, but when I realised I would be writing to a freemason asking him to cease and desist from implementing his brother masons’ dearest wish (the humiliation and destruction of the Church) I thought venting on 1P5 would be much more effective.
Might be a worthwhile venture for someone with the necessary resources to investigate if Bergoglio is a member of a Lodge in Argentina.
I do know that the Masonic Lodge in Argentina was ‘absolutely THRILLED’ with his election. Tells you at least something.
Thats actually VERY interesting.
That was one of the first real ‘red flags’ that hit me between the eyes when he was elected. Several newspapers had the story about how they ‘praised’ the election of Jorge Bergoglio and were ‘thrilled’ with his election.
They ran a full newspaper congratulating him. Or was that the American communists? I definitely remember something like that.
But seriously, could an investigation be organized? If he were exposed as being in fact a Freemason then his election was invalid from the get-go.
That shouldn’t be impossible. Many priests in Argentina would be able to give the necessary evidence if they received the support in doing so. The problem lies with a Modernist infiltrated Hierarchy & those who would not want to be seen as culpable in bringing such information to the forefront. The ‘old boys’ network must rule at all costs!
Let’s see what we can gather from the Internet:
– Bergoglio on a train assuming the ‘right hand hidden’ pose adopted by many famous masons. CHECK
– Masons may have a belief in a creator, but any religion will do. “Proselytism is pious nonsense.” CHECK
– Masons seek the destruction of the Church, see Alta Vendita. Amoris Letitiae. CHECK
Jorge is on the square, but not on the level. QED
Don’t forget the praise that the Freemason papers of Italy and Argentina posted when Francis took the Throne of Peter.
Two years ago, Amel Nona, Archbishop of Mosul, predicted, “Our sufferings today are the prelude of those you, Europeans and Western Christians, will also suffer in the near future….You must consider again our reality in the Middle East, because you are welcoming in your countries an ever growing number of Muslims. Also you are in danger. You must take strong and courageous decisions, even at the cost of contradicting your principles. You think all men are equal, but that is not true: Islam does not say that all men are equal. Your values are not their values. If you do not understand this soon enough, you will become the victims of the enemy you have welcomed in your home.” (http://goo.gl/NOnbPu)
Your words speak truth, and were prophesied by several Catholic saints, DuPont, for one. We are living iin the times told of, by Our Lady of Good Success!
Frankly, Bergoglio as a man is so ignorant and inferior in comprehension of the complexity of reality, so lacking in his personal and intellectual early and later formation, that words of true prudence and discretion and common sense are inaccessible to him.
That a man such as he (or for that matter, that an Obama or a Clinton or a Merkel and many others) can rise to prominence in any society and wield administrative power and feign to be an authority indicates grave flaws in the culture from and in which he arose.
In such persons the only traits that seem proportionate to their lacks are their arrogance and presumption.
If we could get the European countries to declare all immigrants Catholic Traditionalists, then we might hear some opposition to immigration from Franciscus who has decided that Catholic Women should be forbidden to move from, say, Africa to join an Italian Convent while he is in full-throated support of our ancient enemies, Mahometans, freely migrating into Europe.
Why is it forbidden for traditional Catholic women from Africa to move to Italy to join a traditional Convent but it is ok for unassimiable Mahometans from Africa to move into Europe ? is a question so naughty, um, knotty, that only Jimmy Akin could answer it.
Heh.
I do not understand the continued push for unfettered immigration. It really makes me wonder how so many “leaders” can be so daft/blind to the obvious. This feels like a military campaign in which we know there is someone fixed to mow us down on the other side, but the “generals” think all we need to do is press on. Have we all become the new collateral damage here, where our lives and safety no longer matter, just so long as immigrants can still come in? I am all for making sure innocents has a place of refuge, but that is not what world “leaders” are stating. This is akin to saying eat the meals we just provided, but some are rotten and poisoned so some of you are going to get very sick or die, but we must continue eating it even though we know we can give you fresh safe healthy meals. I hate to sound like a conspiracy person, but there is something going on they are not telling us and this continued push for unfettered immigration makes absolutely no sense what so ever.
I can think of one reason: they are using Muslim immigration to control and punish native populations who won’t get with the one world order agenda. And yes, they don’t give a fig for the citizens. This is all about power and control and domination. It is the latest attempt to destroy Christian civilization, and you have Catholic prelates going along with it. Those weak nancy-boys are certain they will be safe, so they continue to wring their hands and talk luvvve and peace as the population gets raped and murdered. They’d rather switch than fight, to quote the old cigarette ad.
As with many things, the simplest answer is the best: This pope and certain Eur/Am leaders (e.g. Merkel & Obama) are leftists who will not be convinced that anything but strict political correctness is virtuous. They have their ideological blinders on and refuse to take them off. The letter reprinted in this article will be ignored by this pope. He will ignore it the same way many of us are ignoring regularly his POLITICAL recommendations.
Exactly. The left is perfectly inoculated against this sort of thinking. In and of itself, even the dispassionate enumeration of specific threats is, to them, merely proof of xenophobia and cultural bias.
Totally agree. I can’t help but think that this immigration influx is part of some globalist plan, but for what? To cause a war? Chaos? Fear? The subjugation of Christianity, certainly. The enemy seems to be working overtime to move this along, and what is so upsetting is that to defend a sort of caution, or prudence, about letting more Muslims in is attacked as being “racist”, unChristian, xenophobic…
Maddening.
To end Christendom. Hitler had his brownshirts whom he murdered after Krystal nacho, apologizing for giving himself authoritarian power to save the German people. He sacrificed them to establish that he needed to be able to kill at will.
These guys have the mahound.
I do not understand the continued push for unfettered immigration
Well, the crazy gal, Merk the Jerk, thinks immigration is just dandy – the more Mahometans the better -but Germany knows how to handle immigrants with aplomb as one can judge from history – see how they managed the immigrant. Adolph Hitler.
O,and WHY isn’t Adolph Hitler the poster boy of immigration?
I think it’s extremely easy, if a bit pedantic, to set up a very strong case that she has plenty of motive to want to see the west destroyed.
Baloonknot9 – Don’t apologize for sounding like a “conspiracy person”. There has been a conspiracy against mankind since the Garden of Eden. The serpent (who doesn’t sleep) has been enticing, lying and capturing the souls of men and women since the beginning. If this isn’t a conspiracy I don’t know what is.
What an honor to receive the palm of martyrdom on the feast of good Saint Anne!
Her basilica Saint Anne D’Auray is just one region over in Brittany.
Pere Hamel Ora Pro Nobis!
I go back and forth, wondering iif he is purposly misleading his flock? Putting his children ( sheep ), in harms way, or has our Heavenly Father not given him eyes to see, or ears to hear? Of course, I could be blind, as well.
Hm. Not sure what you mean by “suicide by Islam”. I happen to personally know many Muslims, and hey! I’m still alive. Go figure.
The problem is not Islam, but rather people’s misinformed interpretation of Islam. Many Muslims (most perhaps) do not sanction the killing of Christians, priests, or anyone else really.
The problem IS Islam. Check out their little ‘holy’ book.
So you’ve read it? I don’t know many non-Muslims who have.
No, but translations that do agree with translation, word for word, with diffetent translations ex: re: jihad, acceptability of lying to non-muslim, “honor,” “it is better to b killed than persecuted,” etc. etc. & my fave about how it is their right to feign friendship and tolerance in stage 1 of jihad.
It’s not easy. The many parts about varied elevated subjects, like how to wipe your behind in the desert require a good deal of positive reinforcement to get through.
The recounting of mohammet spending days beheading the Jews he captured at Medina are certainly just life-affirming.
I’m certain that you would have no trouble with mohammet’s “life-choice” pedophilia.
It’s all just cultural phobia if any of that leaves you cold.
I have, But Muslims don’t accept that because I read an English translation and they say only Arabic is acceptable. Convenient excuse. Go to Jihad Watch for various articles.
Need very calm, intelligent, educated english/arab speaking Christians, Muslims, & others, to sit & go over the ‘holy’ kuran.
No interpretation, just the facts.
Jihad Watch is excellent. I also refer people to religionofpeace.com which can site chapter and verse on about every concept in Islam, including the practice of “taqqiya” which is deliberate deception, including lies, to further the advance of Islam. That’s why I discount every so-called “expert” from CAIR or other Islamic organizations who say they speak for Islam.
Anecdotal evidence has nothing on the facts. Islamic teaching prescribes violence. That not all Muslims choose to follow such prescriptions is not a contradicting factor. We should all be thankful that there are not more devout Muslims in the world, for the devout Muslim follows the lead of their “prophet,” the “perfect man,” who was a killer, a torturer, and a sexual pervert.
Really Skojec? So you are an expert on Islam as well as Catholicism? I’m new to this site. Perhaps there are other religions about which you claim unimpeachable knowledge.
However, I don’t see it as you do. Just as The Church has evolved from a sickeningly bloody and intolerant past, so too can Islam find a better expression than the murderous ISIS. I am guessing you’d prefer that The Church was not still equated with the Spanish Inquisition. Just a guess, though.
Am I an expert? No. But I am informed. However, we have a resident Islamic expert who has explained, repeatedly, what Islam teaches. He is not only fluent in Arabic, he has memorized almost all of the Islamic teachings.
He explains here:
https://onepeterfive.wpengine.com/1p5-podcast-episode-27-the-origins-of-islamic-violence/
You can also read his articles, almost all of which contradict your anecdotal assertions, here:
https://onepeterfive.wpengine.com/author/abieszad/
Hm. So your resident expert is more correct than all the practicing Muslims in the world? I don’t think so. They live their faith every day, just like you do.
Ah, there’s the rub. You’re not interested in the truth of the matter. You’re not interested in learning what the Koran, the Hadith, and the Sira actually say. You’re not interested in the theological principle of abrogation, the model of Mohammed as the perfect man, or the common interpretation of popular Imams.
You want to redefine Islam in deconstructionist terms that fit your narrative. If it’s solipsism you want, friend, you’ve come to the wrong place.
Yes that is the rub. You obviously believe that religion is permanently fixed for all time. I believe the religion is a dynamic expression of a people’s love of the Divine and that Truth is something to be strived for. I now clearly see what you are all about. Very interesting. Moving on.
Pretty standard fare, yup. If you have an immutable source for your truths, the truths aren’t going to change over time, either. Gravity doesn’t stop exerting the same force because it needs to get with the times and help all the obese people out. It’s a constant. This isn’t rocket surgery.
Well, that explains why you’re wrong about this, at least.
Was it not clear? I talk incessantly about unchangeable teaching. Any kind of God worth worshipping isn’t one who changes his mind.
Now, the fact is that Allah does change his mind quite a lot. But it’s an insane religion. This is why the hermeneutic that the vast majority of Islamic scholars agree on — the means by which they can all come to a relative agreement about what they should believe and how they should live — is predicated upon four little words: “What would Mohammed do?”
Since what Mohammed did is written down, and what he said (and what he said God said) is also written down, this is fairly easy to follow.
It’s not to say that there aren’t disagreements and sects and different interpretations, etc., within Islam. But if you can find justification for a thing in the life of Mohammed or in his teachings, you can do it and legitimately say, “This is what Islam says I can/should do.”
Every. Single. Islamic. Attack. is justified in this way. Every one.
‘Steve’, plase dont waste your time & energy with whoever that person is.
Rocket surgery? 🙂 Isn’t that a mixed metaphor? Of course with the planned transhuman stuff, you never know what will be crossed with what …
You gave me a nice smile today!
The problem is that your definition of “religion” is not stable (or valid) across time or even geography. Your “religion” is a socially constructed concept whose origin can be traced to post-Reformation (i.e. protestant) Western European intellectuals no earlier than perhaps the 16th century. Premodern peoples simply didn’t divide the world into “religion” and non-religion. Many (perhaps most) non-European languages didn’t even have a word for “religion” before colonial contacts. Neither traditional Catholics nor Muslims understand themselves as members or adherents of what you call a “religion”; so your concept of religion is a non-native category that you are arbitrarily super-imposing on both. Please don’t take my word for it: Brent Nongbri has published on this, and Talal Asad comes at the problem from the other end by challenging the notion of the “secular” the siamese twin of your “religion.” By the way, Truth is not a “something,” it is a “someone” and that Person is Christ. I think Steve Skojec has adequately addressed all your other points.
Excellent subject-shift evasion!
Please do not depart.
If dialogue fails, what is needed is dialogue and more dialogue.
Please continue to dialogue. Even if you risk losing face.
No knowledge for me, please.
My solipsism is uber allies.
We hear ya, Mdtay.
O, and please provide the evidence that Mahometanism has ever reformed in over fourteen centuries.
You say this from the relative safety of America and here’s hoping you do not have to experience what this Sister did in France:
On Radio Monte-Carlo Sister Danielle explained that the jihadist filmed the scene: “They recorded it. They gave something like a sermon around the altar in Arabic. It was a horror.”
She also said on France 2:
“When I saw them come in, I said to myself ‘it’s over'”.
But, of course, she has had her illusions pierced a LONG time ago, like when the Church – in an irrational act of cowardice, perfidy, and stupidity – donated the land for the Salafists to build a mosque there.
The stupidity of the west when it comes to Mahometanism is a grave adversary for many, like MdTay here, will not listen to reason, they can only learn from personal experience (which is a hard school).
It doesn’t take an expert to read THEIR OWN KORAN.
It’s very explicit about killing infidels. Of course you will probably reject the principal of koranic abrogation – and so take the Meccan verses as standing and dismiss the relevant Medina lines.
Read the facts by Robert Spencer. He has volumes of facts. And you clearly haven’t looked at the Koran. You simply repeat the propaganda prevalent today.
One doubts you understand Mahometanism sufficiently because it is not about your personal feelings.
Here is a link to a video that explains the three levels of Jihad.
https://youtu.be/UPLqVL4GHVU
I don’t know who David Wood is, so why would this influence me?
And personal feelings on the issue do matter, because religions are made of people. They don’t exist in a vacuum. Religious tolerance and religious freedom come about when people of different faiths can look each other in the eye and see that they are more alike than different.
Oh, and I will leave you with this: “Religious tolerance is based on the conviction that God wishes to be adored by people who are free; a conviction which requires us to respect and honor the inner sanctuary of conscience in which each person meets God.” – St. JP II.
What do you mean by “religion”? and why do you think that either Islam or Catholicism is one?
Genetic fallacy, Mdtay.
He cites the actual teachings of Mahometanism but you refuse to hear because you have made an idol out of your ignorance and you feel bad that men like Mr. Wood smash your idols with the hammer of facts.
God wishes to be adored in truth and Jesus told the jews who would not accept Him that they were the children of Satan.
Jesus did not tolerate lies, error, and opposition.
The Bible is filled with God instructing His people NOT to tolerate false religions, but to kill those who refuse His truth.
Tolerate away in the land of relative liberty as you may but do not expect that your inanity would de tolerated in a muslim majority country
Not all Muslims are involved in bloody jihad, but 100% of jihadis are Muslim. Put another way, the bear-watcher fellow who got eaten by bears a few years back wasn’t eaten by any of the first couple dozen he interacted with. But he wasn’t killed by an Arctic hare, either.
My guess is that still won’t compute: either way, may God bless you!
Ah, yeah, thats a good simple ‘non-hating,’ concise, & accurate phrase. I’ll use that. (Do I hv to pay royalties?) 😉
Nope. Facts are free.
“I happen to personally know many Muslims, and hey! I’m still alive. Go figure.”
Allah* appreciates your playing of Mohammedan Roulette.
As do I.
*Not a Catholic God. Why bother with him?
Obviously you have yet to read the quran, hadiths or sura…for if you had you would not reveal ignorance of the main tenets of Islime. I have ex muslim friends, who all vouch for the hideous sinful, and downright evil mandades given to adherents of Muhammed. He was a madman, rapist/pedophile/murderer/thug and conqueror of morons.
This year Poland celebrates its 1,050th year of its Catholic conversion and its establishment as a nation. Poland has defended itself against Lutherans (Swedes and Prussians), pagans (the Mongols), schismatics (Russian Orthodox), Muslims (the Ottoman Empire), Nazis and Communists. Poland has produced great minds, great saints and great warriors. Poland has been a free nation only for the past 27 years and a total of 48 years since the Partitions. Poland has no need of this Pontiff waving a finger in their faces. Being of Polish ancestry, I take the Pontiff’s words as an insult. My grandparents and greatgrandparents were good and faithful Catholics and I treasure their example.
So do Wiccans and Satanists…
Bergoglio yet again shows he is not just a presumptive heretic, but a boor and an ignoramus to boot. Having been invited to Poland as a guest, he quickly proceeds to lecture the Polish youth about the merits of Islamization. What a rude and ignorant jerk.
Love this. Makes my day to know like minded thinkers. God bless you steve!!
They worship the demon god “allah”
Andrew Bieszad: Fr Jacques Hamel martyred by Muslims
Muslim Gang Storms Catholic Church In France During Mass, Takes The Priest And Slits His Throat In Front Of The Entire Church In Ritual Sacrifice To Allah While Screaming “Allahu Akbar.” IF THIS IS NOT AN ACT OF WAR I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS
by Andrew Bieszad on July 26, 2016
What is it going to take to get you Christians to realize and do something about the fact that you are under active siege right now by people- Muslims- who want to murder you and your childrens’ bodies and souls?
Archbishop of Mosul: “I have lost my Diocese to Islam – You in the West will also become the victims of Muslims”
Armenian Orthodox church in Raqqa, Syria, now an ISIS office
“Our sufferings today are the prelude of those you, Europeans and Western Christians, will also suffer in the near future. I lost my diocese. The physical setting of my apostolate has been occupied by Islamic radicals who want us converted or dead. But my community is still alive.
Please, try to understand us. Your liberal and democratic principles are worth nothing here. You must consider again our reality in the Middle East, because you are welcoming in your countries an ever growing number of Muslims. Also you are in danger. You must take strong and courageous decisions, even at the cost of contradicting your principles. You think all men are equal, but that is not true: Islam does not say that all men are equal. Your values are not their values. If you do not understand this soon enough, you will become the victims of the enemy you have welcomed in your home.”
Archbishop Amel Nona
Chaldean Catholic Archeparch of Mosul, now exiled in Erbil
Corriere della Sera
August 9, 2014
In case you missed it recently, Francis linked radical Islam to Fundamental Christianity, particularly Roman Catholics who refuse to change with the times. There couldn’t be a clearer sign that Francis is the novelty.
Where was that? Just wondering if its in writing – would like to see.
People don’t realize that the Vatican has been infiltrated for ages & ages, also the seminaries.
In this case though, allowing the weeds to flourish with the wheat is allowing a lot of incomprehensible evil – destruction of liturgy, pretending homosexuals who entered seminaries were ‘pedophiles’ etc.
I’m still baffled how Francis is able to continue without an uprising. I think, maybe, he’s a fantastic actor?
Father Jacques isn’t even in the news anymore.
Did Francis even mention this incident in Poland?
He spoke with reporters on his flight back to Rome from Poland, and made that equivalence. Truly amazing. It would be nice for just one reporter to ask the Holy Father to name name the Christian or Christians who rape, plunder, murder and pillage.
Oh man.
Hi Claudia – It was on the National News this morning. God is letting Francis and those who follow his leadership define themselves, so that their will is set in stone. I believe that this is one of the final steps before a universal judgment of mankind occurs. It answers the question of how God could be fair to those who are unable to live long enough to redeem themselves, during a mass loss of life, while others, who lived prior to this time, were given the full span of their lives to repent. The consequence for falling away from the Faith, at this time, and the accompanying non repentance for one’s sins is damnation. Anyone who defends, encourages, excuses or participates in the sins which offend God most has made a decision that puts them on the wrong side of the abyss. There has never been a “leader” of the Church like Francis, he is the chastisement warned of at Fatima. Trust in Jesus, not those who chose to undermine His Sacramental Church.
Yes, although thankfully your last sentence is where peace is.
Hi Claudia – “I came to bring fire to the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!” – Jesus Christ.
May the whole world burn with love for you, Lord Jesus.
Please observe today’s utterly absurd, stupid and horrific statments by the Pope regarding Islam and violence and how it is no different than the violence committed by the baptised “Catholic”. He equates self-described and obedient religious violence of Islam to street crime among “Catholics”, saying there is no difference. This man Bergoglio is now entering a new phase. We have heard doubts about his orthodoxy in the past, now he is entering the realm of complete madness compounded by extreme stupidity and irresponsibility.
Let us not forget that this Pope is the same who has described himself as “irresponsible by nature”.
Methinks we will need a combination of St Peter, St Pius V, Leo XIII and Pius X all in one to even BEGIN to repair the damage this irresponsible man has done to the Church.
You are sadly right. Wasn’t there a comedy movie about 20 years ago called “The Pope Must Die” starring Robbie Coltrane? Even Robbie could not match the lunacy of Bergoglio.
Pope Francis. You have won the award for the most idiotic pope in the world. No. No. Most idiotic individual i have ever met with the exception of obama and the australian prime minister and governments of the world.
You put catholicism to shame and make it look horrible. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. YOU TALK TOO MUCH RUBBISH THAT RUBBISH LOOKS MORE DELIGHTFUL THAN YOU!
You’re blind.
Since time is greater than space (whatever the heck that means), Bergoglio is actually the most idiotic pope in history, and one of the biggest fools.
Proverbs 1:7: Fear of the LORD is the foundation of true knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
Proverbs 18:2-3 Fools have no interest in understanding; they only want to air their own opinions.
Proverbs 18:13 Spouting off before listening to the facts is both shameful and foolish.
Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his foolishness.
BAHHAHA quite right. What ever the heck that means. The history of the popes is a devastating one really. There were some really good popes. But there were some really bad ones. But this one. This one tops them all
Maybe they could ciculate the letter via some process in Internet and hopefully get millions of signatures. There is power in numbers. Suppose he got a letter with 10 millin signatures, he could hardly ignore it.