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How Should a Catholic ‘Remember, Remember’ Guy Fawkes Day?

So it’s Guy Fawkes Day. Thanks to the Gunpowder Plot to blow up Parliament, English Protestants have had a Catholic boogeyman to focus their hate on for centuries. Fawkes would have been the Osama bin Laden of Catholics, had he succeeded. I wouldn’t doubt it, in fact, if it were actually Divine Providence that prevented Fawkes from carrying out his conspired terrorist act in 1605.

How shall we Catholics look upon this event?

I suppose one could act like the leftists and blame the social conditions of the time. For example, recall how in recent years terrorism has been blamed on poverty and a lack of economic opportunity.

We have a huge common interest in dealing with this issue of poverty, which in many cases is the root cause of terrorism or even the root cause of the disenfranchisement of millions of people on this planet.

– U.S. senator and presidential candidate John Kerry 

This kind of excuse is along the same lines as blaming black crime on white privilege and blaming black-bloc vandalism and riots on economic inequality and climate change.

So shall we play the victimhood game? Shall we blame Fawkes’s actions on the disenfranchisement and persecution of Catholics in 17th-century England?

After all, consider the long list of state-sanctioned executions of people who dared to consider themselves English Catholics. Consider the suffering and imprisonment of the English Recusants, who valiantly refused to abandon their religion in the face of popular scorn. And let us not forget the overarching English disdain for Catholicism, which bleeds into the cultural attitudes of even our present day.

In fact, among one group, so hated was the Church that Christ began that England’s anti-Catholicism simply wasn’t enough. A purer, more distilled form of Protestantism had to be crafted, and they even had to cross the Atlantic Ocean itself just to get away from Europe’s legacy of Christendom. On the shores of North America, their purity spiral would be free to run rampant, and these men would be unencumbered in their ongoing quest to rarefy their interpretation of Christianity, to the point of becoming Judaic and, in later centuries, Zionist. Such is the legacy of Puritanism.

Yet, when it comes to England’s celebration of Guy Fawkes Day, I do not think down-to-earth, red-blooded Catholics will be satisfied with the idea of Fawkes being a martyr for a permanently aggrieved status. That course of action is neither productive nor useful.

One other way to reflect upon and consider the public mind in regards to Guy Fawkes Day is to realize that the celebration of Fawkes’s demise is not, simply, a victory over terrorism. When the English burn effigies of Guy Fawkes and shoot off their fireworks, the general consensus is not a rejoicing of law and order over anarchy.

No, the celebration of Guy Fawkes Day has a distinctive anti-Catholic flavor about it. And really, its continued observance is an ongoing testament to anti-Catholic bigotry to this very day.

The English are not alone in celebrating such revolutionary benchmarks. The next most immediate holiday that comes to mind is Bastille Day in France, another occasion for fireworks that celebrates the bloody ouster of Christendom from public life – only Catholics probably call to mind the words “Reign of Terror.” Shortly after the storming of the Bastille, Catholic Frenchmen were torn apart in the streets, gunned down, and beheaded by guillotine. It was one of the most odious examples of anti-Christian hate in history, and the French celebrate this every year.

Speaking of The Bastille, George Washington was presented with a three-pound key to the Bastille. This may have been a cause for mutual celebration, for the Freemasons have a little Catholic-bashing festivity of their own. Every time a new member is inducted into the order, the newbie is to bash a tiara and a crown with a rod – symbolizing the Freemason mission of destroying the papacy and the monarchical tradition of Christendom.

Here in the 21st century, the West is rife with anti-Catholic ritual, and there is an anti-Tradition anti-authority spirit behind all of it. With this in mind, it becomes a little more understandable how today’s black-bloc Antifa groups would choose the Guy Fawkes weekend to threaten their anarchy on American cities. For these modern-day seditionists, perhaps they celebrate the state-sponsored demonization of one institution: the Catholic Church in England. Yet black-bloc radicals simultaneously celebrate the reckless, misguided spirit of a national villain who was ready to blow Parliament sky-high with 36 barrels of gunpowder.

So how shall a Catholic regard Guy Fawkes Day? Well, if you’re in England, I suppose you could enjoy the fireworks. But it should be understandable if this holiday of Protestant patriotism makes the Catholics nervous.

For the astute cultural observer, whoever and wherever you may be, it can be instructive to take a step back and marvel at our de-Christianized society’s contradictions. The Protestants wanted to be more Christian than the Catholics, and yet we’ve descended into an irreligious culture of hedonism and violence. Grievance victim culture is revered and lionized, but not if you’re a Catholic, in which case you’re demonized. The cultural left wants to vilify a Catholic rebel who tried to blow up the government, but in the same breath, those leftists will imitate the carnage of this enemy-turned-icon and do their best to pick up where Fawkes left off.

Until the day comes when there’s a parliamentary act in England to abolish Guy Fawkes Day, we shall ever be left with quite the vicious poetry to remind us of England’s messy national holiday:

Remember, remember! 
The fifth of November, 
The Gunpowder treason and plot; 
I know of no reason 
Why the Gunpowder treason 
Should ever be forgot! 
Guy Fawkes and his companions 
Did the scheme contrive, 
To blow the King and Parliament 
All up alive. 
Threescore barrels, laid below, 
To prove old England’s overthrow. 
But, by God’s providence, him they catch, 
With a dark lantern, lighting a match! 
A stick and a stake 
For King James’s sake! 
If you won’t give me one, 
I’ll take two, 
The better for me, 
And the worse for you. 
A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope, 
A penn’orth of cheese to choke him, 
A pint of beer to wash it down, 
And a jolly good fire to burn him. 
Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring! 
Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King! 
Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!

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256 thoughts on “How Should a Catholic ‘Remember, Remember’ Guy Fawkes Day?”

  1. I have read much moaning and groaning from English at Breitbart over the amount of Poles in England.

    Serves them right.

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    • The Irish indulge the same kind of nonsense vis-a-vis the Poles, and they are just as wrong as their former oppressors from the land of John Bull. It’s one thing to lament the invasion of the two islands by bloodthirsty Mohammedans, Koran in hand. It’s quite another to harbor prejudice against Poles who come from one of the few remaining Catholic redoubts on the continent.

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      • Not referring to you…but rather some people at Breitbart UK that are annoyed at the number of Poles in the UK. I can assure you that Polish Catholics will tell anyone about celebrating Guy Fawkes Day will not be received warmly.

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        • Ok, sorry. I’ve never had any problems about Poles and held them in high regard for fighting against Hitler, and being Catholic they bolster the diminishing Catholic population. If I bumped into any when I was out, I would have been fine with them! Viva Cristo Rey!

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  2. Perhaps if he lived in modern times, Faulks could have “dialogued”. I’m sure the USCCB would be thrilled, along with the members of Parliament. Of course, I feel sure Faulks and the Recusants would scarcely recognize today’s Church.

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  4. Or we could simply hail old Guy as the last English Crusader while we burn effigies of wicked Queen Bess. After all, its all good fun, innit?

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  5. Thank you, Mr Laramie for your reference to the judaizing tendency of the Puritans. This is why they and their descendants were so gung-ho about capitalism which is nothing more than state sponsored usury. This is why there was also no resistance to the Jewish tendency to attempt to destroy Christian culture in the United States.

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      • Judaizing and antisemitism are two different things. As a Catholic I could no more hate jews than I could the holy family—who were Jews.

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        • That’s some pretty contrived position you have there, either you’re against the jews (like St. John Chrysostom was) or you’re not. Might as well have the guts to admit it.
          Who cares about your milquetoast backpedaling.
          Are you seriously ready to concede the antisemitism mantra and even racially equate jewry with ancient Israelites , that’s like saying ancient Spartans are still around only they’ve dispersed around the globe, ridiculous. There are no Israelites except Catholics, there’s only Palestine, ROMAN land, CHRISTIAN Holy Land that should not be allowed in the hands of pagans. That’s it.
          Whoever today identifies as a jew is a nothing but a spiritual successor to the lying mixed infiltrator caste known as Pharisees who crucified Christ and these should be routed for being blatant anti-Christs, enemies of God and synagogue of satan, simple. Protestantism is nothing but anglojudaism.
          Does not loyalty to Christ demand that anti-Christs be ousted from Christian society? It sure does.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fa8377847029e5682c7a875eb83a97dad335e742bfaade47e413bba9efd0209b.jpg

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          • I made a mistake in that post, correct. Sorry. I am suffering from a sinus infection and am a little fuzzy until I can get to my doctor. I worded that incorrectly and stand corrected. . What I meant to say is that judaizing which is the observation of Jewish rituals and holy days was never meant to be for Christians. St. Paul discusses this throughout the epistles and he even admonished St. Peter about it. However, the puritans were calvinists, not judaizers . If you want to see what real judaizers are, research the Hebrew roots movement. In any event, I stand by my view that Catholics have no business being antisemitic.
            Finally after reading your tome. I’ve come to the conclusion that you ARE an antisemite. And I’m just not going to talk to any of you. Let God deal with you. Blocked

      • “No honest historian ignores parts of the historical narrative, when they are part of the history he is writing about. Only liars or propagandists ignore inconvenient historical events.”

        How do you square these respective posts?

        “Hitler could not harmed a single Jew, if the evil weed of hatred for the Jews had not poisoned Europe for centuries – thanks in large part to the CC.”

        So basically the Catholic Church is responsible for the rise of Hitler and Evil of the subsequent death-camps.
        This is inaccurate and very misleading and merits significant disdain.

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      • There is only ONE form of “bashing” going on within the Church which represent’s the Spiritual
        Sword of the Word Made Flesh, and that’s the “bashing” of SIN, be it Jewish, Hindu, Buddist, etc..
        and no less within HER very bosom.

        Take your rotten egg’s and scramble with your false profundity, for your omelette is tasteless!

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  6. As an American Catholic I prefer not to have a particular view about Guy Fawkes day. It involved the British government, and as we ended up separating from that very government about 150 years later, I view it as another reason to get away from the oppression of all things European. As for the author’s comments about Zionism, I have a problem. What the heck is wrong with Israel having a state of its own? Particularly when that land had been given to the jews by God before the time of Christ. Where else where the Jews going to go after WWII? We have the largest population of Jews in the world outside of Israel, here in America and people complain about that now. It wasn’t like the palestinian Arabs had a sophisticated culture in palestine. They were nomadic arabs who slept with their camels. Also, anti-catholicism was nothing new in England, and anyone who is a student of the Reformation knows that King Henry VIII and his daughter Elizabeth I took much pleasure in causing the streets to run with the blood of papists. Guy Fawkes day was a retaliation of course, but there was more bloodshed to come during the Cromwell regime certainly. We have enough problems of our own here in the States. I don’t want to take England’s political issues on my shoulders too.

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    • EjB, I would invite you to examine in greater detail the whole Jewish question.
      Not by any means Jewish people in general but the Ashkenazi, Talmudic type and
      how they relate to the “synagogue of satan” Our Lord warned us about….Douay-Rheims Bible quotes.

      Rev 3:9- Behold, I will bring of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie. Behold, I will make them to come and adore before thy feet. And they shall know that I have loved thee.

      John 8:41- You do the works of your father. They said therefore to him: We are not born of fornication: we have one Father, even God. [42] Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded, and came; for I came not of myself, but he sent me: [43] Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word. [44] You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. [45] But if I say the truth, you believe me not.

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      • Ah you’ve been reading mein kampf and the protocols of the elders of Zion haven’t you? I’m sorry but you sound like a real bigot to me now. Leave the jews alone and concentrate on being a good catholic and perhaps leading some of them to Christ rather than engaging in the kind of nonsense the nazis tried 79 years ago.

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          • Rejection of the Talmud is a given for any Christian. Cond mining jews even if you think they aren’t @real” jews is far more nefarious. I’m not confused at all. I don’t believe we have the right to treat Jewish people badly, as you would have us do. You need to talk to your priest. Catholic priests and faithful In Germany Poland and other European counties died trying to save askenazi jews from extermination 70 years ago. Yet you accuse me of being confused?

          • And you are (it would appear) deliberately twisting my word’s to suit your flavour…..

            “I don’t believe we have the right to treat Jewish people badly, as you would have us do.”

            Your calumny is gross.

          • THIS IS NOT CALUMNY. That is a downright lie right there. Please .Do yourself a favor and Read your own post and Try being honest about your own prejudices. You can fool man but you won’t fool God, buddy.

          • calumny

            1.
            the making of false and defamatory statements about someone in order to damage their reputation; slander.
            2.
            slander, defamation (of character), character assassination, misrepresentation of character, evil-speaking, calumniation, libel; More
            a false and slanderous statement.

            It’s NOT? “I don’t believe we have the right to treat Jewish people badly, as you would have us do.”
            How dare you suggest such motive!

            I have quoted Scripture and challenged your criticism of The Article were you promote Zionism.

            “As for the author’s comments about Zionism, I have a problem. What the heck is wrong with Israel having a state of its own? Particularly when that land had been given to the jews by God before the time of Christ.”

            You advance your argument in an emotive time-box whereas I simply look at cold hard fact’s as a student of history.
            The machination’s of A particular sect of jewish expression are (and alway’s have been) ruthlessly subversive to the
            Christian way of life. Educated people KNOW this is true whether it’s comfortable reading or not.

          • This “discussion” on the present topic does not seem to bear good fruit, would you say?

            I have never seen so much anger, unkindness spoken between posters before on OnePeterFive.
            I do hope this does not become a pattern.
            I come here for knowledge and support of Church teachings, and to read discussions which, while they may express different opinions, etc., are generally expressed with respect between each other.
            I have learned a great deal from the ” give and take” between many here in the past,, which is why the multitude of bad mannered, hostile posting is a bit of shock for me.

            To be honest, I am a bit upset by it.

          • Totally agree, CS, hence my comment yesterday. Just that bit too hot headed and, frankly, rude. If that’s going to be the way things start moving on here, I suspect Steve will start to lose readers which would be a shame.

          • I have to agree… I’m holding off on bans because, technically, no one has violated the comment policy… yet… but it’s getting REAL close and I’ve about had it… this is not the kind of discourse Catholics should be having with one another…

          • You completely just put words into his mouth he didn’t even say. Your credibility is in the negative. Total Boomer Catholic behaviour.

          • The very last person on Earth a Catholic should ever want to quote is François-Marie Arouet, aka Voltaire. We are not allowed to judge the disposition of a man’s soul but, if I were a betting man…..

          • I hold no brief for Voltaire but this quote has stand alone relevance to my argument.
            And if YOU wish to enter the fray go ahead. Or be content sniping from the sidelines….

          • OK. Let me state this succinctly: I think EjB is right. You are an anti-Semite. Don’t bother answering me because I don’t debate with those suffering from this intellectual malady.

          • And you sir are a Zionist, which is heretical as it pretends the Old Covenant is still valid alongside the New and Eternal Covenant. From your standpoint any criticism of Jews is Naziism, which means 98% of our Popes were Nazis. I suggest you do some historical reading, particularly the saints, on Judaism.

          • You, sir, haven’t a clue about what you write here. You clearly make gratuitous assumptions, so let me return the favor. I aver you use religion to veil an ugly penchant for what, lacking a better term, we’ll call “Hitleresque thought.” There were many Catholics in France, Germany, Poland, Austria, etc. who let this kind of degraded ‘thought’ silence them in the 1930s and 40s. This kind of intellectual legerdemain was a disgrace then and it’s no more respectable now.

          • Now you’ve gone full 1984. ???? Scary that you were appointed to be thought police. It’s funny how you don’t answer any points but just plug your ears and scream “Nazi, Nazi!” when your Zionism is exposed for all to see. Then on top of that claim to read minds. ????

          • The replies to the truth you’re expounding on just proves how far into the bone that the rot of judaizing has eaten. Christians think it’s bigoted to say that the Jews are the rejectors of Logos. Amazing.

          • Again you’re not arguing any points just slinging ad hominems. You know who does that? People that are losing an argument. ????

          • No, I don’t. From the Grammarist: “Most writers use that and which as the relative pronouns for inanimate objects, and who as the relative pronoun for humans. This widespread habit has led to the mistaken belief that using that in reference to humans is an error. In fact, while most editors prefer who for people, there is no rule saying we can’t use that, and that has been widely used in reference to people for many centuries. It remains so today, especially in British writing…”

          • Wrong again, mon ami. I’m old enough probably to be your father. Your whole life is gratuitous and mistaken assumptions evidently.

          • If you’re old enough to be my father then you’re a Boomer. ???? You certainly have the Boomer mentality. Do you like crooning On Eagle’s Wings at the polka Mass as well? Or do you like your Judaizing Zionism straight, without any additional Boomer flourishes?

          • I’ve noticed that. The farther away we get from ww2 and it’s horrors, the more the antisemites seem to pop up.

          • There seem to be a disproportionate number among the ranks of Traditionalists. Apparent going back to the Mass of the Middle Ages means going back to their attitudes toward the Jews as well

          • I don’t know about that. I’m a traditionalist and I grew up among the Jews in the nyc metro area. I believe Israel has a right to exist. I may not Believe the evangelical John Nelson Darby/Cyrus scofield eschatological dogma relating to the end times but I don’t have a probl m with Jewish people it a Homeland of their own. . I get along well with them. I also don’t know anyone in my TLM church who hates Jews. In fact one friend of mine i is half Jewish. Her Jewish mom converted to Catholicism on her own.

          • I don’t have a position on these matters, because I haven’t taken the time to study them. But I know good people who make cogent arguments against Talmudic Judaism and its condemnations of Christ without seeking to harass or oppress Jews themselves. Like Islam, I don’t see any reason why Catholics can’t make considered assessments of what another religion teaches, and I think critics of Talmudic Judaism should not immediately be labeled with “anti-semitism”.

            At the same time, there is a resurgence of genuine anti-semitic thought in 2017, and of a scapegoating of Jews as a general rule. I have seen this among Catholics, and I find it troubling. The Jews, like all of us, need Christ. I don’t see anything inherently unworthy about people of any given race or ethnicity, though certain cultural or ideological trends that are objectionable may rise above them.

            So let’s keep things above the belt here. Nothing Barry said violates our comment policy. Reserved to the realm of a clash of ideas, this is a fair game topic. I’d prefer to see it not become personal.

          • I disagree. As I said before, rejection of Talmudic Judaism AS A RELIGION is a given for all Christians. I’m hardly hitting below the belt when a person can’t stop at critique of beliefs and then goes on to blame the Jews for every malady ever known to man and then segregates types of Jews as genuine or fake. I’m sorry but I’m simply not going to be a part of that. Hitler didn’t care if they were askenazi, Sephardim or Catholic converts. He killed them all. I am not going to tolerate antisemitism. Period.

          • I’m hardly hitting below the belt when a person can’t stop at critique of beliefs and then goes on to blame the Jews for every malady ever known to man

            Where is this being done here? That’s not what I read.

            and then segregates types of Jews as genuine or fake.

            I saw a specific reference to the “Ashkenazi, Talmudic type” which, unless I’m mistaken, correlates directly to a type of belief/practice.

            I am, admittedly, among the least informed people you’ll meet when it comes to Judaism in its various forms. Which is perhaps why I find knee-jerk accusations of anti-semitism like yours bizarre. I simply don’t have a bias for or against. But these rhetorical cudgels come out fast — just like the overuse of the word “racism,” and the “zero tolerance” of perceived antisemitism fails to impress me when a conversation is being had about ideas and not persons.

            And since it’s my comment box, what you tolerate or won’t is really not of any consequence to me.

          • Here’s my take on things…

            All men, regardless of race, creed, religion, whatever needs to be converted to Christ which requires membership in the Catholic Church. Period. However, bashing a people because of their ethnic backgrounds bothers me and isn’t Catholic. There is a much better way to engage in this discussion that doesn’t involve insults at groups of people or other commenters with differing opinions… and insults seem to be flying, or about to be.

          • If I have offended anybody here ANYBODY I sincerely apologize perhaps
            I suffer from scruples (or/and) perhaps I am at fault but I offer no malice and HATE
            NO PEOPLE or person. I hate falsehood and the abuse and cruelty of the powerful.
            I hate SIN especially MINE. Thank you.

          • Jafin, I’ve been only skimming these comments. If you’re seeing attacks based on race/ethnicity, that stands apart; if some are pointing at particular Jewish beliefs as a problem for Christians in specific areas, I think that’s where we need to provide some latitude for the argument to be made. If they’re wrong, I have no doubt the other commenters here will have rebuttals at the ready.

            What I’d prefer not to see in this instance is a reflexive silencing of an honest debate simply because the topic itself is considered a third rail. Catholicism appears to have had an antagonistic history with the Jews, and vice versa. It’s an area of Church history I’d like to study more; I don’t know enough to feel confident in my positions, which is why you won’t see me writing about it. But I think an understanding of the why of this history — even if it served only as a point of departure for what we should be doing — would be valuable.

            If people are going to insult or shout each other down or simply blanket a race with epithets, that’s the kind of thing I’m not interested in allowing.

            These distinctions are, admittedly, sometimes difficult to make.

          • Don’t be silly. Understanding reality doesn’t make one an antisemite. You act like Barry said “gas the k***s now” or something.

          • Not losing the argument at all. I’ve pointed out the truth. What has been cited on some of these antisemitic posts here is exactly what the nazis believed in. Deal with it.

          • Nazis believed X, therefore anyone who believes X is a Nazi is a logically incoherent statement. Talmudic Judaism isn’t the religion of the Old Covenant anyway. You’ve gone full Boomer on us.????

          • EjB, arguing with those infected with the anti-Semitic disease is a thankless chore. They will never accept your simple statement that you don’t accept Talmudic Judaism; they want, instead, to get to that insidious international bankers’ conspiracy that you, secret Jewish agent or Zionist that you are, refuse to see and to denounce fulsomely. For them, what happened in the 30s and 40s was no lesson at all. And if THAT taught them nothing at all, what can we hope ever will?

          • You have a point johnny. It bothers me that many of these people portray themselves as devout Catholics though. I guess that’s my problem.

      • Because the US is MY country and we don’t have to put up with monarchies and socialism and asylum seekers and Joseph Stalins and adolf hitlers, and we are still free. So yes, we ARE enlightened.

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          • good. Next time your puny little island gets attacked DONT call us to help you, since we are that bad. I’m sorry my father shed blood on dday so that England and Europe could be free and that my uncle died when his b29 crashed in England after a bombing raid to Germany . No good deed goes unpunished.

          • That’s right. Europe did hive us the best of civilization which is exactly why we are the greatest nation in the world. Duh. And nothing I said about Europe was in the least silly.

          • No it is NOT a national policy. Certain states may be allowing that abomination but it isn’t national law yet. And further it isn’t a policy most Americans agree with either. So what are public restrooms like in Australia? Are they holes in the floor like those in France? Just asking….

          • You’re out of line. There’s been enough notice on this thread to look at the comment policy before posting, not to mention the link right at the beginning of the combox. You must have missed rule #1:

            1. Refrain from personal attacks and insults; focus your response on the argument, not the individual. Do not insult 1P5 staff or writers.

            Unfortunately, ignorance of the law does not excuse you from the law. Goodbye.

          • If you’re a Euro-American and you hate Europe, you’re self-hating. And that is disgusting. All good American culture came from English and German culture.

          • You live here and enjoy all America has to offer, yet you put my country down. What ar you an illegal or a Canadian? I’d love to know.

          • Try being less sensitive. The plain fact is that yes, Europe is a basket case. Your country is a mess. My country – Australia – is a mess. They weren’t so bad 40 years ago but our countries are irreparably broken. They cannot be fixed by humans. It has nothing to do with monarchy v republic. It has everything to do with the rejection of God.

            I fundamentally like Americans and America and I am having a great time here. I’m very grateful in fact.

            That doesn’t alter the fact that your country is on the brink of civil war. Mine is down the toilet.

            GOD is our only hope, not this or that system of gov’t.

            I believe God is going to send Our Lady to rescue us.

            There is no other solution.

          • Oh, now we are getting someplace. The person from the country that was a penal colony for the British empire-the country that also gave up its guns-is somehow now BETTER than the US? Hardly sweetheart. If it is so much better there, GO HOME. I’m not going to sit here and listen to you running my country down when you are being enriched by her. Got it?

          • Hardly. You have outed yourself dear. GO HOME to your little South Pacific socialist utopia. Let real Americans take the jobs you and your spouse currently hold.

          • Cry me a river. Besides, that’s why my president is trying to get rid of that socialist HC system, so you can thank mr obama for that. Go home to your own socialist HC system if you don’t like ours.

          • You didn’t but you had plenty of words describing what a “mess” my country is. That’s enough for me. If you were in your country or were a European and you complained that would be bad enough but to be living off the largess of my country and insulting her is intolerable. Go home.

          • Good, I hope you don’t stay because when people like you who enjoy the benefits of our country complain and run her down, you need to leave. Go back to your own socialist toilet bowl if it is so bad here. Vomanos.

          • Barry clearly needed putting back in his box but I think you’re another one in need of blocking mate. Very unusual and unfortunate tone to witness in these com boxes.

            Steve/moderator?

    • Do you really think God gave that land to the modern day Jews? So you’re willing to throw all Palestinians under the bus for some covenant that was annulled by the Jews over a thousand years ago? Catholicism is not compatible with judaizing and Zionism.

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      • First of all God didn’t take the land away from the Jews. The Roman’s did in 70 AD. Secondly, it isn’t like the few Palestinian Arabs who lived there had built a great civilization when the decision was made for Israel to become a state. They weee nomadic Bedouin’s. . Thirdly there have always been jews living in Palestine. . And for the record there ARE Arab Israelis today. Finally I say this again. The Catholic Church’s prohibition on Judaizing is not the same thing as antisemitism. St. Paul WAS a Jew and his point was that he didn’t want to make the ever growing number of gentile Christians have to observe Jewish traditions and holy days and the church states that we should not adopt Jewish customs and observe their holidays. . St. Paul would never have condoned an outright bigotry towards Jews. Nor would jesus or the holy virgin for that matter. Here is a question for you. what would You like to see happen to the Jewish people in Israel and the world? I’d love to hear your answer.

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        • I beg your pardon, Our Lord told the Jews they would be thrown out of the land because they didn’t know the time of their visitation.

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          • “When He said, ‘A new covenant,’ He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.” And that’s what happened, as Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple which happened because God had rent the curtain in two and departed from the holy of holies. As Pius XII explains: “By the death of our Redeemer, the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished; then the Law of Christ together with its mysteries, enactments, institutions, and sacred rites was ratified for the whole world in the blood of Jesus Christ… [O]n the gibbet of His death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross, establishing the New Testament in His blood shed for the whole human race.”

        • I find it curious how those infected with this disease all gravitate toward that same special code language where words like “judaizing” and “Zionism” enjoy pride of place. It’s also curious how they manage to evade the fact that Christians are officially persecuted in almost every country where Muslims predominate, but not in Israel.

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          • “Judaizing” is straight from Church councils and church fathers. I guess you’re calling them all anti-Semites. “Zionism” is a political movement that even the Jews call by that name. Spades are called spades too, by the way. Stop act like anyone is advocating for genocide on here. You imagined that or made it up. Criticizing Talmudic Judaism and it’s evil mentality does not make one an anti-Semite. However believing that there is a Covenant beyond the New and Eternal one, is heresy that has been anathematized by the Church already in council. And that’s something you believe, because you’re a Judaizer.

          • Your attitude is what underlay the Shoah and permitted Catholics across Europe to complacently watch what was happening as millions of Jews were wiped out. Your choice of words is an indication of your Weltanschauung. You cover your repugnant sentiments with a thin veil of religion, but so did many Catholic Frenchmen, Poles, Croats, and Germans in the time of trouble.

            Wise politicians in Europe nowadays, those who have learned the painful lessons of recent history, avoid tendentious language like yours. Marine Le Pen and Geert Wilders, for example, are careful to exclude from the ranks of their political parties anti-Semites and those who espouse incendiary language. They know that violent anti-Semitism is alive and well across the world and they know that its name is Islam. Catholics like you, unfortunately, are cheerleaders for this criminal activity. As Irish Bishop Donal Murray said in the forward to Ena Gray’s book, Healing the past: Catholic Anti-Semitism: roots and redemption, “The history of the relationship between Christians and Jews tells of tragic and inexcusable events and attitudes in which people betrayed the principles of their own Christian faith. It is clear that there is no limit to the love of neighbour preached by Jesus. Those who participated in the many atrocities and injustices against Jewish people and those who did not intervene when they could have done so, betrayed their own humanity.

            Tell you what, S.A., you can clear the air here rapidly. Denounce in clear language the conspiracy theories I suspect you harbor, all the nonsense about international Jewish bankers and power brokers who secretly pull strings from “behind the scenes.” And tell us without ambiguity or hesitation that you decry people like David Irving, Franjo Tudjman, Ernst Nolte, Bradley Smith, and Ernst Zündel, that they are liars and apologists for inhuman acts. Maybe then we can begin to believe your protestations of innocence.

          • HA. He wasn’t even born yet his attitude is to blame for the war crimes of Germany

            Healing the past: Catholic Anti-Semitism: roots and redemption, “The history of the relationship between Christians and Jews tells of tragic and inexcusable events and attitudes in which people betrayed the principles of their own Christian faith. It is clear that there is no limit to the love of neighbour preached by Jesus. Those who participated in the many atrocities and injustices against Jewish people and those who did not intervene when they could have done so, betrayed their own humanity.

            The past is ” healed ” by assigning all blame to Christians.

            O, and if you ever do get around to defining antisemitism, please let us know

          • Definition? Try this on for size (from Wikipedia): “There have been a number of efforts by international and governmental bodies to define antisemitism formally. The United States Department of State states that “while there is no universally accepted definition, there is a generally clear understanding of what the term encompasses.” For the purposes of its 2005 Report on Global Anti-Semitism, the term was considered to mean “hatred toward Jews—individually and as a group—that can be attributed to the Jewish religion and/or ethnicity.” As a Supreme Court justice once quipped about pornography, “I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it….”

            Germany’s offensive actions weren’t restricted to “war crimes,” although the Germans committed many of those too. They were crimes against humanity, many of which happened previous to September 1939.

          • Joe Sobran was right when he observed that anti semitism was a label applied to those who hated the Jews whereas now it is a label applied to those Jews hate.

            There is only one holocaust and it refers to the Pluperfect Self-Sacrifice of Our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, on Calvary where His burning love for humanity substituted for the OT holocausts.

            The Talmud is the text that is definitive for the Messias-Deniers (not the Boble) and it teaches that Mary was a whore who was raped by a Roman Soldier during menstruation and her child Jesus was a bastard who was justly crucified for blasphemy and is now in Hell submerged in boiling shit.

            The Catholic Church has been falsely accused of having a teaching of contempt but even though Catholicism is an exoteric religion whose doctrines are known to all the Messias-Deniers have never produced one- NOT ONE- doctrine teaching contempt of Jews.

            But, you run around casting blame on those dead Catholics who had no power- typical liberal you are.

            The faithful Jews accepted Jesus as Messias and became Catholics, part of the New Israel, and those who did not accept Jesus are in Hell or headed there if they do not accept Jesus and sad men like you spend countless hours trying to denigrate those you do not know ( Tell you what, S.A., you can clear the air here rapidly. Denounce in clear language the conspiracy theories I suspect you harbor..) who made you the zionist inquisition and when will YOU denounce the Talmud and its rebarbative, fetid, and execrable doctrines?

            Maimonides taught that it was ok for a Jew to copulate with a girl under six years old and if that happened it was the fault of the child…

            Go on, you zany Zionist, try and find any such teaching in the history of the Catholic Church whose past you clearly are embarrassed by

          • I shouldn’t have bothered with a definition. Initially I had written “Look in the mirror.” I should have simply kept that formula.

          • Look in the mirror..

            OK, Zionist Narcissus, we know what you lovingly gaze at in the mirror but sane and healthy Catholics do not look at themselves and see the hateful visage you attribute to those who disagree with your disagreeable personal opinions.

          • You are as wildly wrong in your attempt to impute emotions to others as you are at understanding history and theology.

            Of course, I would feel unease if men like you thought I was sane, but I am a Christian Catholic, not a Zionist, and so I would feel slighted if a man like you did not think I was insane.

            Th use of the royal “we” is revealing as you actually do appear to think your personal passions and prejudices are normative for others.

            Now, run along, Johnny, and demand that others confess their secular sins to you…

          • LOL

            Revealing, like most liberals you appear to think ordination is not necessary before you try and dispense absolution

          • First we will bring the Halacha which treats pedophilia lightly:

            According to Halacha, sexual relations have taken place when the participants are a male over the age of nine and a female above the age of three. Below these ages what has happened is not considered sexual intercourse (in neither the sense of acquisition nor the sense of forbidden sexual relations).

            It is written in the Mishnah: “A girl of three years and a day is sanctified (as a woman is acquired) through intercourse…if one of those forbidden to have relations with her according to the Torah does have relations with her, he is killed because of her, and she is exempt. If she is less than that (less than three years and a day), it is as one who sticks a finger into an eye” (Niddah 5:4). The sages of the Talmud explain the Mishnah’s simile “as one who sticks a finger into an eye”: Just as an eye, if poked by a finger, gives off a tear and then once again gives off tears, so is it when a man puts his penis in a girl younger than three, her hymen tears and then heals over. This is why it is not called intercourse in matters of prohibition or of acquisition (Niddah 45a).

            Thus did Maimonides rule (Laws of Forbidden Intercourse 1:13-14): One who has sexual relations with a girl younger than three is exempt from punishment, even if he did so with his own daughter, and one who has sexual relations with a boy of under nine is exempt from punishment, even if she did so with her own son, and homosexual relationships with a minor boy under the age of nine is exempt from the punishment written in the Torah: “If a man lies with a male as one lies with a woman, the two of them have done an abhorrent thing; they shall be put to death — their bloodguilt is upon them” (Leviticus 20:13).

            From what we have brought above, you can learn that Chazal and the religious arbiters treated sexual relations with a minor as a meaningless act. They completely ignore the psychological and emotional impact upon a boy or a girl who have undergone an irreversible trauma which can warp their entire lives. Their only concern, the target of all their sophistry and discussions, was the legal/Halachic aspect. They treated intercourse as an act of acquisition and spill a great deal of ink and intellectual energy on embarrassing and shameful questions like whether an act is considered sexual intercourse if only the corona of the penis penetrates, or if there is any contact between the corona of the penis and the female genitals (what is called by Chazal “a kiss”), or is full penetration of the entire sexual organ required (Yevamot 55b)? There are many more such nonsensical questions.

            To more precisely show Chazal’s emotional insensitivity, I will cite another Talmudic discussion which deals with sexual intercourse with a minor girl. Since they hold that a girl under the age of three is not “worth” intercourse, that one who has sex with a girl under the age of three is not punished, they wonder whether if one has sex with a girl under the age of three and her hymen is torn, does it heal, or was it never torn in the first place? The Halachic implications of the doubt is relevant in the case of a girl who again has sex after the age of three, and bleeds. Is this hymeneal blood or menstrual blood? Thus do Chazal sail away on virtual analysis which has nothing to do with a woman’s physical reality, while ignoring humanity.

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            If anybody tries to tell you there is such a thing as Judaeo-Christian anything morality, ethics, history, laugh at hem

      • Agreed. There can be no dialogue until they stop rejecting Logos. Though I think Israel is the best way for them and us. Their influence is destroying Christian culture.

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    • “King Henry VIII and his daughter Elizabeth I took much pleasure in causing the streets to run with the blood of papists.“

      A vivid picture, but an exaggeration.

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  7. Father Dennis Fahey was persecuted for telling it like it is about organized naturalism i.e. the judaizing by the Puritans and others.

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    • In each of his books he always puts in the six point plan of Our Lord and the aims of the Evil One. Even though he wasn’t a Jesuit but a Holy Ghost Father (just like Archbishop Lefebvre), the six points remind remind you of the Two Kingdoms and the Two Standards in the Spiritual Exercises.

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  8. “Lembrai, lembrai… De um julgamento injusto, do flagelo rasgando a carne, da coroa de espinhos, dos espancamentos, das humilhações, da pesada cruz, dos cravos de ferro atravessando os pulsos e pés, do cheiro de sangue, da agonia, da morte e da ressurreição.”

    Lembrai ó povo católico de onde vem vossa força, hoje quase esquecida.
    Lembrai-vos de vossa herança.
    Lembrai-vos do Verbo Encarnado, nascido da Santíssima Virgem.
    Lembrai-vos de um homem pobre que calava os poderosos, andava sobre as águas, aplacava as tempestades, dava visão aos cegos, fazia os aleijados andarem, curava os doentes e ressuscitava os mortos.
    Lembrai-vos d’Ele, que prometia o Reino dos Céus a quem o seguisse, mostrou que o mais humilde seria o primeiro.
    Lembrai-vos d’Aquele que disse simplesmente “Venha a mim”, “Siga-me”, “Obedeça-me”.
    Lembrai-vos d’Aquele que deixou claro que sua principal missão era perdoar os pecados, algo que somente Deus poderia fazer.

    Lembrai-vos d’Aquele que disse “Eu Sou o Caminho, a Verdade e a Vida. Ninguém vai ao Pai a não ser por Mim”, “Eu sou a ressurreição e a vida; quem crê em mim, ainda que esteja morto, viverá;” “Eu sou o pão da Vida, quem come deste Pão, mesmo que morra viverá”.

    Lembrai-vos de Jesus Cristo, o Filho de Deus.
    Lembrai-vos da Santa Ceia, onde nos deu Seu Corpo e Sangue.
    Lembrai-vos de seu Sacrifício na Cruz, onde verdadeiramente tomou sobre si as nossas enfermidades, e as nossas dores; e os seus o reputavam por aflito, ferido de Deus, e oprimido.
    Mas ele foi ferido por causa das nossas transgressões, e moído por causa das nossas iniquidades; o castigo que nos traz a paz estava sobre ele, e pelas suas pisaduras fomos sarados.

    Lembrai-vos de um pequeno bando de covardes derrotados, num sótão, em um dia e, poucos dias depois, transformados numa companhia que nenhuma perseguição podia silenciar.
    Lembrai-vos de 12 homens que testemunharam que viram Jesus levantado de entre os mortos, ascendendo aos Céus e depois proclamaram essa verdade durante 40 anos, nunca a negando. Todos eles foram espancados, torturados, apedrejados, colocados na prisão e sofreram mortes horríveis. Teriam suportado isso, caso não fosse verdade?
    Lembrai-vos das perseguições, quando éramos crucificados, apedrejados, flagelados, presos, queimados vivos e jogados às feras.
    Lembrai-vos dos tempos em que nos escondíamos nas catacumbas.
    Lembrai-vos do tempo que o Evangelho conquistou os bárbaros.
    Lembrai-vos do tempo que as nações eram irmãs em Jesus Cristo.
    Lembrai-vos dos cavaleiros, os monges guerreiros que defendiam os fracos.
    Lembrai-vos das glórias da cristandade, suas catedrais e universidades.

    Lembrai-vos dos santos, servos humildes de Nosso Senhor, que conquistaram multidões não com espadas, como os maometanos, mas com Rosários.
    Lembrai-vos de São Domingos Gusmão, São Francisco de Assis, Santo Antônio de Lisboa e Santo Tomás de Aquino.
    Lembrai-vos da batalha de Lepanto, quando as orações do Rosário derrotaram os turcos maometanos.
    Lembrai-vos dos missionários, que foram aos confins da terra pregar o Evangelho.
    Lembrai-vos do tempo em que os padres falavam da vida eterna, da indispensabilidade de salvar a própria alma fugindo do pecado e vivendo na graça de Deus.

    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia altares-mesa no estilo luterano em nossas igrejas, mas somente altares-mores voltados para Deus, cuja própria aparência despertava o sentido de temor respeitoso e reverência nas pessoas.
    Lembrai, lembrai… de quando não havia tradicionalistas, porque não havia necessidade de descrever qualquer católico com essa expressão. Todos os católicos aceitavam instintivamente o que uma série de papas havia prescrito como parte da própria profissão de nossa fé: “Admito firmemente e abraço as tradições apostólicas e eclesiásticas e outras observâncias e constituições da Igreja.”.

    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia leitores leigos, “ministros da Eucaristia” leigos ou meninas no presbitério, mas somente padres, diáconos a caminho do sacerdócio e os acólitos, que eram a fonte primária de geração após geração das vocações sacerdotais, que enchiam os seminários.
    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia música profana durante a Missa, mas somente canto gregoriano ou polifonia, despertando a alma para a contemplação do divino, ao invés batidas de pés, palmas ou puro tédio.
    Lembrai-vos de quando os padres rezavam em latim, e a missa era contemplativa e meditativa. Todos podiam rezar o terço durante o silêncio e as igrejas eram cheias.
    Lembrai, lembrai… do tempo em todos católicos carregavam um terço no bolso, e o rezavam todos os dias.
    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia seminários vazios, conventos vazios, paróquias abandonadas e escolas católicas fechadas. Havia somente seminários, conventos, paróquias e escolas repletas de católicos fiéis provenientes de famílias numerosas.

    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia “ecumenismo.” Havia somente a convicção de que a Igreja Católica é a Igreja única e verdadeira, fora da qual não há salvação. Os católicos seguiam o ensinamento da Igreja que “[diz] que os fiéis não podem de maneira alguma assistir ativamente ou participar de qualquer culto de acatólicos,” e eles compreendiam mesmo se apenas de maneira implícita.
    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia “diálogo.” Havia somente evangelização pelo clero e apologistas leigos com o objetivo de converter as pessoas à verdadeira religião. E havia os convertidos, que entravam para a Igreja em números tão grandes que parecia mesmo que os Estados Unidos estavam se tornando uma nação católica, uma vez que 30 milhões de americanos ouviam o programa de rádio de Dom Fulton Sheen todo domingo.

    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia defecções em massa do sacerdócio, das ordens religiosas, e de leigos, levando à “apostasia silenciosa” na Europa e em todo o Ocidente. Em vez disso, havia aquilo que um Padre do Concílio Vaticano Segundo descreveu no início do Concílio: “a Igreja, não obstante as calamidades que grassam no mundo, está experimentando uma era gloriosa, se vocês considerarem a vida cristã do clero e dos fiéis, a propagação da fé, e a influência universal salutar que a Igreja possuía no mundo de hoje.”
    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia “Católicos Carismáticos,” “Neo-Catecumenais,” ou outros “movimentos eclesiais” promovendo novos modos estranhos de culto inventados por seus fundadores. Havia somente católicos, que praticavam o culto da mesma maneira que seus antepassados com continuidade inquebrável durante séculos.

    Lembrai-vos do tempo em que a Igreja não precisava imitar seitas protestantes para ficar pop.
    Lembrai, lembrai, do tempo em que a palavra divórcio não fazia sentido. Homens e mulheres casavam-se para toda a vida.
    Lembrai-vos do tempo em que ter filhos não era considerado fardo, mas sim a coisa mais importante para as famílias.
    Lembrai-vos do tempo em que os padres catequizavam seu rebanho. De quando o sim era sim e o não era não.
    Lembrai-vos do tempo em que os padres atendiam confissões todos os dias, e ninguém precisava marcar hora para se confessar.

    Lembrai-vos do tempo em que os todos católicos tinham horror ao pecado. Ao contrário de hoje.
    Lembrai-vos de quando tudo mudou, quando o espirito mundano invadiu a Igreja. No Concílio Vaticano II.
    Lembrai-vos do que pediu a Santa Virgem em Fátima.
    Lembrai-vos que ela disse que seu Imaculado Coração triunfará.

    “Salve Rainha, Mãe de Misericórdia,
    Vida, doçura e esperança nossa, salve!
    A Vós bradamos, os degredados filhos de Eva.
    A Vós suspiramos, gemendo e chorando
    neste vale de lágrimas.
    Eia, pois, advogada nossa,
    Esses Vossos olhos misericordiosos
    A nós volvei,
    E, depois desse desterro,
    Mostrai-nos Jesus, bendito fruto do Vosso Ventre.
    Ó Clemente, Ó Piedosa, Ó Doce Virgem Maria.

    Rogai por nós Santa Mãe de Deus,
    Para que sejamos dignos das promessas de Cristo. Amém”.

    Acompanhai o Rosário, eis a oração que nos diz como devemos rezar pelo Reino de Maria. Como tratá-la, quem somos, o que é este mundo, quem Ela é para nós, e o que devemos lhe pedir.
    Salve Mãe Rainha
    Deste seu escravo inútil.

    http://www.cruzgloriosa.com.br/Pagina/7756/Lembrai-o-povo-catolico-de-onde-vem-vossa-forca-hoje-quase-esquecida

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  9. I was pleasantly surprised to see that GUNPOWDER, the BBC miniseries which aired last month, really takes pains to be unsparing in depicting just how ferocious the anti-Catholic persecution of the Elizabethan/Jacobean English state was in the years leading up to the Gunpowder Plot. You see the priest holes, the ransacking of the houses, the ruinous fines for merely declining to show up to Anglican worship services, Sir Robert Cecil’s torture chambers, and even the horrific methods of execution that really were inflicted on the likes of Ss. Edmund Campion and Margaret Clitherow. In short, you can at least understand how English Catholics like Catesby and Fawkes could be driven to such desperate ends, even if you might not condone them.

    But I think it’s worth noting that Catholic remembrances of the Recusancy have tended to focus much more on the witness of the English Martyrs, from Fisher to Plunkett, than they have on the various Catholic plots to overthrow the protestant English regimes.

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          • Ok, I was a bit hasty. I read it as if you were lumping every Brit together. Sorry, you can probably tell how I made my mistake. At times, I’m horrible, please include me in your prayers too. God bless

          • I can see how it would read that way, but I wouldn’t generalize to that degree. I greatly respect British Catholics. I’m sure you’re lovely, but I’ll gladly pray for you. Maybe you could offer one up for me too.

          • Thank you! My grandmother thought I was lovely???? I’ve already included you in my prayer list as I include all of the faithful who are fighting the good fight – and you’re definitely included. It’s a bit bleak here faith wise, at least that’s how I feel, so please pray for us all.
            God bless
            Peter

      • It is part of our history. That is sufficient reason for remembering it. No honest historian ignores parts of the historical narrative, when they are part of the history he is writing about. Only liars or propagandists ignore inconvenient historical events.

        I’m British.

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        • It’s not merely remembered, it’s celebrated with fireworks. Why don’t British people remember the wickedness of their wicked Queen Bess? British Catholics would do well to remind anti-Catholics of the great evils they did, if for no other reason than that they might be shamed into looking seriously at their history, and the glories and truth of the Catholic Faith. Then they might have a chance to avoid Hell, which is where they are all currently headed.

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    • The Rising in the North of 1570, the Babington Plot of 1586, and the Gunpowder Plot of 1605, are all that come to mind. And all of them occurred after the Government had begun to cause trouble for Catholics. The situation was muddied by the claims of the Papacy to exercise temporal as well as spiritual authority, which is why St Pius V excommunicated Elizabeth in 1570, and why many English Jesuits thought that Philip II had a better right to the English throne

      Protestants plotted to divert the succession to the throne in 1553
      Protestants made war against Charles I in 1641 and during the years after
      Protestants killed Charles I in 1649
      Protestants concocted the Oates Plot in 1678 – leading to the execution for treason of 30 innocent people
      Protestants plotted successfully to replace King James II by Dutch William in 1688
      Protestants altered the succession so that when James II died in exile in 1701 his son could not inherit the throne.

      It was Elizabeth, an excommunicated heretic and persecutor, who put Mary Queen of Scots to death in 1587, thereby showing that being a legitimately anointed and crown monarch was no protection against being tried and executed.
      OTOH, it could also be argued that the Papacy had set a precedent for such behaviour, by not protesting in 1268, when Charles of Anjou put to death Conradin (grandson of Frederick II); or in 1382, when Queen Joanna of Naples was murdered. Both the dead were subject to the Popes, and both Popes – Clement IV and Urban VI – had strong reasons for wanting them dead.

      For the sake of completeness, it ought to be pointed out that Puritans were also persecuted, notably in 1593, and again in 1662 (after persecuting the Church of England under Cromwell). A lot of what happened after 1660 cam be regarded as a set of attempts by the various parties to pay off old scores.

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  10. Freemasonry is not anti-Catholic and not anti monarchical. The Duke of Kent is a cousin of HM Queen Elizabeth and the duke’s wife and oldest son are Catholic. Is he as Grand Master working against his own family? The French Italian Grand Orient-style freemasonry, which can be anti-religion in general, is much smaller than the regular and original anglo freemasonry.

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    • Freemasonry IS very clearly anathema to genuine Catholicism….end of.
      It matter’s not a jot that there are “catholic” member’s within it’s wall’s.

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      • How so?

        The idea that Freemasonry is working to destroy the state and Church is simply bizarre and ridiculous. The very few orders of atheist Freemasonry (mainly in France and Italy) are small and insignificant and couldn’t influence the church any more than a local philatelic society.

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        • There is a big difference between the Freemasonry in the US and that of the Grand Lodge of the Orient. The main reasons that Catholics are forbidden from membership is that history of the Grand Lodge plus the fact that it is a syncretistic religion that is not exclusively Christian and hence can’t be Catholic. I am a convert from a Masonic family, my father and both grandfathers and two great grandfathers were 32nd degree Scottish rite.

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        • Most Freemasonris are useful idiots who don’t know what their leaders are doing. That’s how they get a lot of financial support.

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    • If Freemasonry is not anti-Catholic, why have Catholics been forbidden by the Church from becoming Freemasons since 1738? Just because some Freemason named the Duke of Kent has Catholic relatives doesn’t make Freemasonry harmless.

      Although the 1983 Code of Canon Law doesn’t have the prohibition against Freemasonry that the 1917 Code did, the Church continues to prohibit membership in Freemasonry because it concluded that Masonic principles and rituals are irreconcilable with Catholic doctrines. The current norm, the 1983 Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s (CDF) Declaration on Masonic Associations, states that “faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion” and membership in Masonic associations is prohibited”.

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      • Just because the Church hasn’t bothered to investigate Freemasonry doesn’t make it anti-Catholic. Freemasonry comes in many types and to say that Freemasonry in general is against the doctrines of the Church is like saying (political)liberalism or socialism is against it’s principles.

        Freemasonry is not a religious denomination and does not require its members to adhere to any specific doctrines of faith. As long as one believes in a higher power one is welcome to join.

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          • I would not investigate Freemasonry by listening to an ex-Mason any more than I would investigate Catholicism by listening to an ex-Catholic. Freemasonry is a syncretistic religion and a Catholic can’t be a member of such.

          • Read about St. Maximilian Kolbe encounter with the vehemently anti-Catholic demonstrations of Freemasons in Rome when they were celebrating their 200 anniversary, Kolbe was studying in Rome at the time. Precisely in order to stand against the Masons, he created Militia of the Immaculata and added the prayer after each decade of Rosary – O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to you, and for all who do not have recourse to you, especially the enemies of the Church and those recommended to you. Originally, it was “enemies of the Church and freemasons” but the offensive part has
            been systematically removed for “ecumenical” reasons, as well as the entire Roman masonic episode from Kolbes biographies.

          • 🙂 Oh, I guess that’s because you’ve never heard him
            talk about how secretive it is and what the upper
            eschalon of Freemasonry are actually involved in. Would you listen to Bella Dodd speak about Communism when she
            admits she placed at least 1000 Communists in US
            seminaries to become priests to take down the Church and
            that there were many others like her?

        • In the USA there are two types of Freemasons, the men who are really into it, and the guys that join to network and meet people. For example, when I served in the Army many of the non commissioned officers were Freemasons, and they formed a clique that backed each other up as a sort of mutual protective association.

          Then there are the real Freemasons, like my father-in-law. He is a 33rd Degree Mason, and he looks down on the men who join to meet people and do public service in the community. My father-in-law refers to those masons as “pancake breakfast masons”. He is a Deist and hates Christianity in general and particularly Catholicism. He says that true Freemasonry doesn’t recognize the divinity of Christ, and God (what you refer to as “a higher power”) disengaged Himself from the welfare of Man after the Creation.

          Are you aware that Freemasonry played a key role in the French Revolution, and the resulting persecution of the Catholic Church? Are you aware that Freemasonry has been involved with various anti-Catholic South American countries since the 1820s? Are you aware that the anti-Catholic Mexican governments of the 1920s and 1930s were dominated by Freemasons, like President Plutarco Calles? Calles was awarded a medal of merit from the head of Mexico’s Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in recognition of his actions against the Catholic Church in 1926.

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    • Glad you bring that up.

      I don’t know the first thing about the character of the Duke of Kent, but since when is “working against his own family” something a man is incapable of? Guys do it all the time.

      But since you brought up Freemasonry. This is for others who seek the benefit of truth, protection and healing.

      http://www.sensustraditionis.org/Freemasonic.pdf

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  11. Britain has become a truly stupid country. Who was it who said “whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make crazy”??

    The Brits are twisting themselves into pretzels to tell anyone who will listen that terrorists like ISIS and al Qaeda are not the “true” face of Islam, as the atrocities pile up and the bloodshed grows ever greater. They can’t make up excuses fast enough to exonerate that violent death cult. Speaking the truth about Islam will get you arrested for a “hate crime”. Yet they continue to commemorate a single, isolated, failed act of terrorism carried out by a Catholic, several centuries ago.

    Britain is destined for some very difficult times.

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        • It is incredibly prescient. Also…you’ve never read Chesterton!? You at least need to read Orthodoxy and the Everlasting Man.

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          • I will do that. I promise. It’s not that I am not a reader because I usually read a lot of nonfiction, heavy stuff. But for some reason just never picked any of chestertons books up. Shame on me:)

          • I’ve read some of his stuff, but not those two books. I think he has a weakness for over-simplifying complex questions into overly clever epigrams; not everything can be dismissed with an epigram. Although his biography of St Thomas Aquinas was highly praised by competent judges.

            I far prefer C. S. Lewis – some Catholics don’t care for him. Fr. R. A. Knox deserves to much better known than he seems to be – he manages to be witty, profound, and intelligent without ever being annoying. Some Catholics are rude about him too. I don’t know why. A second Anglican who deserves reading is Dorothy Sayers. She was, like C. S. Lewis, a very able lay theologian, and her books on Christian belief don’t deserve the obscurity they have fallen into. She is a very good example of how to be a Christian author.

          • I’ve read CS Lewis often as I used to be Anglican before I converted. My problem with him is his use of flowery wordy language. Just get to the point already. I’m sure he was a product of his time however, so Orr’s not really a criticism. His spiritual life was kind of interesting though

      • “The first version of this phrase appears in Antigone by Sophocles (verses 620-623) as “τὸ κακὸν δοκεῖν ποτ᾽ ἐσθλὸν τῷδ᾽ ἔμμεν’ ὅτῳ φρένας θεὸς ἄγει πρὸς ἄταν” meaning “evil appears as good in the minds of those who gods lead to destruction”. Even this appears to be a borrowing from an earlier, lost Greek play.[citation needed]”

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whom_the_gods_would_destroy

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        • Antigone! Now you’re making me feel my age. ???? I had to write a paper on that play in college. Topic: Should Antigone obey the law or not? (Me being very naieve, I chose the former at the time.)

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    • Fair enough perhaps, but you’re not talking about me. I went to the a local bonfire (couldn’t spot a guy) there were fireworks and a few fairground rides. A fairly chilly night, but my crucifix was on show anyway shirt open at the neck, I’m not hiding. As for ISIS etc, the average person knows what they are, it’s the politicians and press (and the odious BBC, whose license fee we pay for) who seem to be unwilling to acknowledge it. Must check out the BBC series Gunpowder – they are usually very anti-Catholic. Praying for Divine intervention…
      Viva Cristo Rey!

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    • Guy Fawkes is not the issue he might have been as recently as three generations ago. November 5 is just another occasion to have a bit of a party. The de-toxification of November 5 can perhaps be attributed to a mixture of ecumenism and secularism. To find anti-Catholicism on any notable scale, one has to go to the West of Scotland. What disdain for Catholicism remains in UK culture is part of the general disdain for, and suspicion of, religion/Christianity generally; and people are far more likely to mention recent evils in the CC, like the paedo scandals, or the alleged fondness of the Vatican for Hitler, or the Vatican’s attitudes to abortion and gay rights, than the Gunpowder Plot. Those 4 things are often mentioned, but I can’t remember a single allusion to the Gunpowder Plot as a reason to oppose Catholicism. I think it is safe to say that is just not the issue it would once have been.

      There is a Fundamentalist subculture in Britain that deplores the EU as a Catholic plot against the UK, and that attacks the Papacy because of its double function as a political and religious power; but even that is more concerned with present or recent causes for alarm at the Papacy, than with the Gunpowder Plot. One of the Protestant critics of the Papal visit of 1982 wrote a book in which he complained of, among other things, the 1570 Bull Regnans in Excelsis by which Queen Elizabeth was deposed; but the author, who had no more liking for ecumenism than some Catholics do, does not mention the Gunpowder Plot. Loraine Boettner’s critique of Catholicism mentions a lot of Catholic violence, but not that. That he was writing for a US audience can’t be the whole explanation, because the Plot used to be a standard item in polemics against Catholicism on both sides of the Atlantic; and the Plot could have been used as evidence for some of Boettner’s leading arguments. There was some criticism of the Pope in 1982 for visiting Argentina – this was after all the year of the Falklands War – but, this criticism was connected with political realities of that time; not with the Gunpowder Plot.

      The Gunpowder Plot was remembered in popular tradition at least in part because until 1859 it, and some other events, was commemorated in the Book of Common Prayer. The B.C.P. was the prayer-book of the Church of England. And the C of E was, and is, the Established Church of England. So the Plot could hardly avoid being remembered in England. A child in 1850 would be old enough to remember that particular service before it was abolished, and would be likely to carry any impressions formed by it into the early years of the following century. And to pass on those impressions to the following generation. The generation that grew up after 1900 had the aftermath of Vatican I in 1869-70 to think about – the Council was still an issue in 1911, when the 11th edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica was published. After 1914, there were other things to think about. Benedict XV was criticised by all sides in 1917 for his attempts to bring peace to Europe, since all the Great Powers saw any concessions by them as strengthening the enemy. Again, those criticisms, as elsewhere, were based on current issues, not on the events of 1605.

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      • “In December 1999 at the request of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, then Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith who would later become Pope Benedict XVI, the International Theological Commission presented its study on the topic Memory and Reconciliation: The Church and the Faults of the Past. The purpose of this document is “not to examine particular historical cases but rather to clarify the presuppositions that ground repentance for past faults.” It examines repentance for past faults in the context of sociology, ecclesiology and theology.”

        Pope John Paul II made many apologies. During his long reign as Pope, he apologized to Jews, Galileo, women, people convicted by the Inquisition, Muslims killed by the Crusaders and almost everyone who had allegedly suffered at the hands of the Catholic Church over the years Even before he became the Pope, he was a prominent editor and supporter of initiatives like the Letter of Reconciliation of the Polish Bishops to the German Bishops from 1965. As Pope, he officially made public apologies for over 100 of these wrongdoings.

        And I quote from your post….
        “Is the entire history of Christianity to be whitewashed of all events that show Catholics in a bad light ?

        Are we to whitewash all events that show certain cultures in a bad light? I guess not, some get a free pass?

        The light of Our Lord exposes the machination’s of ALL peoples, ALL peoples who REJECT the TRUTH
        and that’s it, It’s called hating the SIN of the Sinner who love’s his sin!

        Other’s do manipulate and drive questionable agenda BUT fear of being lumped with “hater’s” should not
        deter an honest pursuit of the truth of our own personal live’s, of social culture’s, of historical narrative’s,
        of the truth of our state as creature’s before The Almighty Presence Of Our Creator made manifest in the
        Light Of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

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  12. The Roman Church in England became a Church of Martyrs at the hands of wicked monarchs. That should still nowadays inspire English faithful, especially the religious orders, who suffered so much.

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    • Especially when Henry stripped and destroyed the monasteries and scattered and/or killed the monks and priests. He was stealing wealth from God.

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      • According to a recent tv programme, Henry attended a mass each day until he died. Seems incredible but… Sorry I can’t remember the source.

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          • That’s not what the programme said, I’m almost sure that it didn’t refer to the C of E. Also I think it said that he received absolution or the last rites, which made me wonder if he made it to purgatory at least. As an aside a pal of mine went to Lewes in Suffolk where they still have parades with effigies of a pope and throw them on the bonfire too. I was a bit shocked when I found that out. A pal went down to watch it once, he said it was quite a spectacle. He told me (in jest I think ) he said to his wife “better hide your crucifix”. But in the main Bonfire night is an excuse to light a fire and fireworks I would say. More anti-catholic is the Act of Succession in my humble opinion. Still, I’m praying for the conversion of my country, Our Lady of Walsingham pray for us, and the whole world.
            Apologies for rambling.
            Viva Cristo Rey!

          • Amen, brother. The bias against Catholicism among the English is palpable. I know that because half my family is English and Protestant back to the English reformation. I was raised with that bias and it was only because I read so much church history and became curious about traditional Catholicism that I repented of that viewpoint. Even now my conversion causes some uneasiness in my family.

          • I think Catholicism was almost eradicated, a lot of my family came over from Ireland as a result of the potato famine. But my maternal Grandmother’s side seems to have been English Catholics, but I’ve not researched whether that went back to the reformation…
            Glad that you n me have the True Faith though! It is rather disheartening cos the culture of death is prevalent. But, the prophesied conversion of England must come pretty soon surely. Keep praying!

      • Yes it was terrible. On the other side you can discover the same behavior, but by Catholics in “A History of the Inquisition of the Middle Ages” by Henry C. Lea. It is three thousand pages long and well documented.

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          • You are being irrational. Yes the Church of England persecuted Catholics and it was terrible. Yes the Catholic Church committed terrible acts during the Middle Ages. The book I mentioned can be downloaded for 99 cents from Amazon. I have extensively read Catholic books on history and books written by the Popes. I don’t hate the CC, in fact I love it, but that doesn’t change mistakes made by the CC; like the ones being made now by the current “Pope”.

          • Yes the book is anti-CC. But it is filled with historical events that actually happened and then the author adds his editorial.
            I listen to EWTN every day and enjoy it, but it has a lot of misinformation about non-catholics, every day.
            I attended CC for three years and took the classes and was pretty serious about becoming Catholic. I got to know the CC’s on the ground attitude towards non-catholics. I was pretty shocked at the hate and lack of understanding of non-catholic Christians.
            The CC can’t win the argument against other Churches because of it’s attitude towards the, equally Catholic, Eastern Churches, reveals the hypocrisy of the CC.

          • What’s your real beef with the Church – contraception?

            Sorry, but Prof Stark’s books blows most “facts” out of the water. He’s not Catholic either, so it’s not a case of special pleading.

          • The Catholic Church (the only “big C” church, by the way) traces itself back to the Apostles, Christ’s followers. The others trace themselves back to Luther or Calvin. Forgive me, why would I believe either of them over the people handed on the faith by Sts. Peter, Paul, Matthew, etc. ?

          • You don’t know about the other Catholic Churches in the East? There were several Churches in the East, Jerusalem, being one of them that were and are equal to the Roman Catholic Church. They all met at councils and the councils decided what was orthodox or not. The list of the acceptable books to be included in the Bible came from Alexandra, Egypt. All of the Catholic Churches decide to approve the list and the NT we have today is from that council of Churches. The Roman Catholic Church is not the only Catholic Church; I believe there are 23 of them. Ask your Priest.

          • LOL, the Eastern Rite particular churches are all a part of the Catholic Church, with the same dogmata and beliefs. It’s one Church dude, called the Catholic Church, under the Pope.

          • I am afraid I have to inform you that the Eastern Catholic Churches do not see it that way and in reality, it is not the way you describe. Can the Pope change anything about the Eastern Churches? Of course not. You do not know the first 700 year history of the Church. Maybe you should just read the book of Acts for a starter.

          • No, Randall: there is one Church, period. If I declared my home the country that is the true United States tomorrow it would not mean that there are two United States.

          • Read the writings of Paul in the NT and see how he describes the Churches. There is no hint of there being one overall Church and each Church is described as standing alone. No writing in the NT refers to Rome as the head of the Church. The councils of the first 700 years of Christianity are well documented and we know that all Churches were equal and not one Church was over the others.
            The reason the Eastern Church is relatively unknown today is because it was decimated by Moslems and was attacked by the Roman Church repeatedly; the Church at Constantinople was actually conquered by the Roman Church. Did you know that Constantinople was the seat of the Roman Empire, not Rome; it was moved from Rome to Constantinople. Rome was also conquered by Moslems.
            The Pope became powerful after the Roman government left Rome for Constantinople and left a vacuum of power in Rome.

          • Read the NT in which Christ tells Peter that he is the rock on which the Church will be built. Also note that the NT doesn’t refer to churches: it refers to the Church in X or the Church in Y. There is one Church. You’re conflating some weird ideas, friend. It would be like saying there’s no such thing as the New York Yankees because they play in cities other than New York.

          • Time to update your catalog. Why don’t you read non-Catholic Rodney Starks books that draw on actual up-to-date historical information (stripped of lies by the likes of Voltaire and Hume) which refutes all kinds of myths.

        • I saw a great series on EWTN called Catholicism, the heart of history, hosted by the v intelligent Mr & Mrs Boyle. He’s a lawyer and certainly seemed to know his stuff. He explained that the numbers of dead routinely quoted as victims of the inquisition are way out. The actual number was less than 1000 over centuries. Most people were found innocent. The numbers of those killed as a result of the prod witch-hunters was loads more, over a much shorter time. This was hidden as a result of propaganda, especially from England at the time. The BBC amazingly had a programme about it too.
          Viva Cristo Rey!

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          • Yes, I heard of the program. In fact it was not the Church that did most of the torture, but just individuals, towns etc. The CC becoming a secular power house during the Middle Ages was not in line with Christ, no matter what else the Church did. Remember that the Bible tells us “if you say you don’t sin, you are a liar”; that includes the Church.

          • Not sure that the Church is to blame in this instance. Maybe some individuals? But am I right in thinking that the Church will again become the spotless bride of Christ? V soon I hope! Also sorry for the typo (predictive text) Joanna and James Boyle were the hosts of the tv programme. God bless! Peter

  14. Let us pray for the repose of the soul of the heroic Guy Fawkes. What he did was perfectly justified; the Pope had officially absolved the royal power from the Protestant monarchy, so these were tyrannical Protestant usurpers he was trying to overthrow.

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  16. Where is the Guy Fawkes of today to tend to anti-Catholic sentiment in the Vatican? Recently we had Fr. Thomas Weinandy do his part. We need others. How about the USCCB issuing a statement condemning Pope Francis many efforts to undermine the Catholic faith?

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  17. “Lembrai, lembrai… De um julgamento injusto, do flagelo rasgando a carne, da coroa de espinhos, dos espancamentos, das humilhações, da pesada cruz, dos cravos de ferro atravessando os pulsos e pés, do cheiro de sangue, da agonia, da morte e da ressurreição.”

    Lembrai ó povo católico de onde vem vossa força, hoje quase esquecida.
    Lembrai-vos de vossa herança.
    Lembrai-vos do Verbo Encarnado, nascido da Santíssima Virgem.
    Lembrai-vos de um homem pobre que calava os poderosos, andava sobre as águas, aplacava as tempestades, dava visão aos cegos, fazia os aleijados andarem, curava os doentes e ressuscitava os mortos.
    Lembrai-vos d’Ele, que prometia o Reino dos Céus a quem o seguisse, mostrou que o mais humilde seria o primeiro.
    Lembrai-vos d’Aquele que disse simplesmente “Venha a mim”, “Siga-me”, “Obedeça-me”.
    Lembrai-vos d’Aquele que deixou claro que sua principal missão era perdoar os pecados, algo que somente Deus poderia fazer.

    Lembrai-vos d’Aquele que disse “Eu Sou o Caminho, a Verdade e a Vida. Ninguém vai ao Pai a não ser por Mim”, “Eu sou a ressurreição e a vida; quem crê em mim, ainda que esteja morto, viverá;” “Eu sou o pão da Vida, quem come deste Pão, mesmo que morra viverá”.

    Lembrai-vos de Jesus Cristo, o Filho de Deus.
    Lembrai-vos da Santa Ceia, onde nos deu Seu Corpo e Sangue.
    Lembrai-vos de seu Sacrifício na Cruz, onde verdadeiramente tomou sobre si as nossas enfermidades, e as nossas dores; e os seus o reputavam por aflito, ferido de Deus, e oprimido.
    Mas ele foi ferido por causa das nossas transgressões, e moído por causa das nossas iniquidades; o castigo que nos traz a paz estava sobre ele, e pelas suas pisaduras fomos sarados.

    Lembrai-vos de um pequeno bando de covardes derrotados, num sótão, em um dia e, poucos dias depois, transformados numa companhia que nenhuma perseguição podia silenciar.
    Lembrai-vos de 12 homens que testemunharam que viram Jesus levantado de entre os mortos, ascendendo aos Céus e depois proclamaram essa verdade durante 40 anos, nunca a negando. Todos eles foram espancados, torturados, apedrejados, colocados na prisão e sofreram mortes horríveis. Teriam suportado isso, caso não fosse verdade?
    Lembrai-vos das perseguições, quando éramos crucificados, apedrejados, flagelados, presos, queimados vivos e jogados às feras.
    Lembrai-vos dos tempos em que nos escondíamos nas catacumbas.
    Lembrai-vos do tempo que o Evangelho conquistou os bárbaros.
    Lembrai-vos do tempo que as nações eram irmãs em Jesus Cristo.
    Lembrai-vos dos cavaleiros, os monges guerreiros que defendiam os fracos.
    Lembrai-vos das glórias da cristandade, suas catedrais e universidades.

    Lembrai-vos dos santos, servos humildes de Nosso Senhor, que conquistaram multidões não com espadas, como os maometanos, mas com Rosários.
    Lembrai-vos de São Domingos Gusmão, São Francisco de Assis, Santo Antônio de Lisboa e Santo Tomás de Aquino.
    Lembrai-vos da batalha de Lepanto, quando as orações do Rosário derrotaram os turcos maometanos.
    Lembrai-vos dos missionários, que foram aos confins da terra pregar o Evangelho.
    Lembrai-vos do tempo em que os padres falavam da vida eterna, da indispensabilidade de salvar a própria alma fugindo do pecado e vivendo na graça de Deus.

    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia altares-mesa no estilo luterano em nossas igrejas, mas somente altares-mores voltados para Deus, cuja própria aparência despertava o sentido de temor respeitoso e reverência nas pessoas.
    Lembrai, lembrai… de quando não havia tradicionalistas, porque não havia necessidade de descrever qualquer católico com essa expressão. Todos os católicos aceitavam instintivamente o que uma série de papas havia prescrito como parte da própria profissão de nossa fé: “Admito firmemente e abraço as tradições apostólicas e eclesiásticas e outras observâncias e constituições da Igreja.”.

    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia leitores leigos, “ministros da Eucaristia” leigos ou meninas no presbitério, mas somente padres, diáconos a caminho do sacerdócio e os acólitos, que eram a fonte primária de geração após geração das vocações sacerdotais, que enchiam os seminários.
    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia música profana durante a Missa, mas somente canto gregoriano ou polifonia, despertando a alma para a contemplação do divino, ao invés batidas de pés, palmas ou puro tédio.
    Lembrai-vos de quando os padres rezavam em latim, e a missa era contemplativa e meditativa. Todos podiam rezar o terço durante o silêncio e as igrejas eram cheias.
    Lembrai, lembrai… do tempo em todos católicos carregavam um terço no bolso, e o rezavam todos os dias.
    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia seminários vazios, conventos vazios, paróquias abandonadas e escolas católicas fechadas. Havia somente seminários, conventos, paróquias e escolas repletas de católicos fiéis provenientes de famílias numerosas.

    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia “ecumenismo.” Havia somente a convicção de que a Igreja Católica é a Igreja única e verdadeira, fora da qual não há salvação. Os católicos seguiam o ensinamento da Igreja que “[diz] que os fiéis não podem de maneira alguma assistir ativamente ou participar de qualquer culto de acatólicos,” e eles compreendiam mesmo se apenas de maneira implícita.
    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia “diálogo.” Havia somente evangelização pelo clero e apologistas leigos com o objetivo de converter as pessoas à verdadeira religião. E havia os convertidos, que entravam para a Igreja em números tão grandes que parecia mesmo que os Estados Unidos estavam se tornando uma nação católica, uma vez que 30 milhões de americanos ouviam o programa de rádio de Dom Fulton Sheen todo domingo.

    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia defecções em massa do sacerdócio, das ordens religiosas, e de leigos, levando à “apostasia silenciosa” na Europa e em todo o Ocidente. Em vez disso, havia aquilo que um Padre do Concílio Vaticano Segundo descreveu no início do Concílio: “a Igreja, não obstante as calamidades que grassam no mundo, está experimentando uma era gloriosa, se vocês considerarem a vida cristã do clero e dos fiéis, a propagação da fé, e a influência universal salutar que a Igreja possuía no mundo de hoje.”
    Lembrai-vos de quando não havia “Católicos Carismáticos,” “Neo-Catecumenais,” ou outros “movimentos eclesiais” promovendo novos modos estranhos de culto inventados por seus fundadores. Havia somente católicos, que praticavam o culto da mesma maneira que seus antepassados com continuidade inquebrável durante séculos.

    Lembrai-vos do tempo em que a Igreja não precisava imitar seitas protestantes para ficar pop.
    Lembrai, lembrai, do tempo em que a palavra divórcio não fazia sentido. Homens e mulheres casavam-se para toda a vida.
    Lembrai-vos do tempo em que ter filhos não era considerado fardo, mas sim a coisa mais importante para as famílias.
    Lembrai-vos do tempo em que os padres catequizavam seu rebanho. De quando o sim era sim e o não era não.
    Lembrai-vos do tempo em que os padres atendiam confissões todos os dias, e ninguém precisava marcar hora para se confessar.

    Lembrai-vos do tempo em que os todos católicos tinham horror ao pecado. Ao contrário de hoje.
    Lembrai-vos de quando tudo mudou, quando o espirito mundano invadiu a Igreja. No Concílio Vaticano II.
    Lembrai-vos do que pediu a Santa Virgem em Fátima.
    Lembrai-vos que ela disse que seu Imaculado Coração triunfará.

    “Salve Rainha, Mãe de Misericórdia,
    Vida, doçura e esperança nossa, salve!
    A Vós bradamos, os degredados filhos de Eva.
    A Vós suspiramos, gemendo e chorando
    neste vale de lágrimas.
    Eia, pois, advogada nossa,
    Esses Vossos olhos misericordiosos
    A nós volvei,
    E, depois desse desterro,
    Mostrai-nos Jesus, bendito fruto do Vosso Ventre.
    Ó Clemente, Ó Piedosa, Ó Doce Virgem Maria.

    Rogai por nós Santa Mãe de Deus,
    Para que sejamos dignos das promessas de Cristo. Amém”.

    Acompanhai o Rosário, eis a oração que nos diz como devemos rezar pelo Reino de Maria. Como tratá-la, quem somos, o que é este mundo, quem Ela é para nós, e o que devemos lhe pedir.
    Salve Mãe Rainha
    Deste seu escravo inútil.

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  18. I’ve never been one to try to justify the gunpowder plot (does any Catholic?) but where exactly do people draw the line between terrorism and guerrilla warfare? The Americans fought against the English monarch – why is that ok, but it’s not ok for Catholics to try to attack an evil regime?

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  20. Why is an unsuccessful treason like this a crime proving the Hellishness of Popery, but the successful treason of beheading His Sacred Majesty King Charles I a deed that justifies giving one of the regicides, Cromwell, a statue ?

    Protestantism is unprincipled.

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  21. Guy might have been a patsy. too. Robert Cecil and his father are the arch-villains of English history, and they were quite capable of pulling this off. The BBC (of all people) have a middle-of-the-road/leaning skeptical about Cecil’s involvement here: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29722437

    An excerpt:
    Of course, it is possible that the hidden hand of Robert Cecil was at
    work throughout the plot; perhaps he was such a master of espionage that
    his role in the proceedings is so well-concealed and obscure that even
    our finest historians have not unearthed evidence of him pulling the
    strings.

    Don’t know if it happened, but it was possible. In the meantime, aren’t we supposed to expect slander, calumny, and even death? Carry our crosses? And also, surely, being resentful and “carrying a chip on our shoulder” is the exact opposite to the best way to deal with all the slander, calumny, and so on, that’s been dumped on us. That’s true of us Trads as well. Just sayin’.

    So, “carry a chip” on the should only when it is a chip off the True Cross.

    RC

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  22. Oft times in journey, men stumble over when truth appear
    and quickly complain to fellow pilgrim for injury sustained
    neglecting that which such fall uncovers.

    False love and cold fact shakes the very marrow
    disdain for pain and a shield for self-love
    keep THAT beating heart forever shallow.

    A leap of faith for Christ doth beckon
    is death not dead, have I not shown
    how dark is thrown by weight of truth..

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  23. Find the Bridge. Squabbles are for fools. We’re all here for the same reason. To find our Lord, All in all.

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    • The Lord has already been “found”: He took up human form and between the OT prophets and His witness, we needn’t look very hard. We just need to conform to His commandments and teaching in accordance with the Catholic Church.

      The idea that we’re on some kind of “journey”, groping for direction (not that you said or implied so much), drives me nuts. Like we’re travelers without a map: we’re not, it’s just that getting to the destination entails trekking through incredibly difficult terrain. That so many think there’s some other easier path is unfortunate because there’s is a not. It’s a narrow path to a narrow gate.

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  24. Very funny to see all the ex-colonials bad-mouthing the Mother Country. Nothing Christian about it but a good laugh for the rest of us.

    There was an interesting exchange some threads ago about whether pope francis is the False Prophet. Some posters think it’s possible or even probable. Onepeterfive.com strongly denies the possibility, it’s not easy to understand why they take such a hard position against the posters, given the evidence.

    Why don’t we see what the occultists and New Agers saying about it? Bcause they *are* talking about it. Here is one site of the Satanists:-

    Q. Pope Francis seems inspired – in almost everything he says and undertakes. How do you see him?
    A. I see him as brilliant, wonderful and inspired, and honestly playing his part.

    Q. Has the Pope been ‘placed’ and sent at this particular time to help prepare and galvanize people ready for the appearance of Maitreya?
    A. Yes. Very much so.

    Q. Will it be long before real change is visible?
    A. No, it will not be long. It depends, however, on people and it is always difficult to absolutely say what humanity will do, because we have free will. As for the energies which have been creating such circumstances, they will be ameliorated quite soon. It all depends on what humanity wants and does. After all, it is not the Masters who have gone awry, it is humanity. Maitreya has forces in place already, for instance, this extraordinary Pope and the Dalai Lama.

    Q. Do you know if Pope Francis is being impressed or inspired by a Master in his various speeches against greed, the powerful economic powers of the world, and against the pure form of capitalism that still is so attractive to many rich sections of society?
    A. He is inspired by Maitreya.

    There we are. Satanists believe pope francis is possessed by or under the control of a demon.

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    • The Mother Country? Color me crazy but I don’t think there was much Catholic immigration from England. Poland, Ireland, Germany, Italy and countries within Central America and South America are more likely the “mother countries” of most American Catholics.

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    • You are bearing false witness. We do not deny the possibility that Francis is not what he appears to be, and people are allowed to entertain that here within limits. What we will not tolerate are those who simply assert that Francis is an anti-pope or the the False Prophet as if the matter were settled. Why? Because not only is their insufficient evidence to make such definitive determinations, but it is also not our place to pronounce on such things. If Francis is ever to be declared an anti-pope, the False Prophet, or whatever, that must come from Church authority alone.

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      • And we must pray that the Bishops declare Pope Francis a heritic. By letting more people know that Pope Francis is a heritic than people will push the bishops to act.

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  26. The Christian (cross) Metamorphosis:

    This frame of timber latent with wing
    rips my self replete with sin,
    but known to I it’s MEANING to bring
    a future day of Light and Angel sing.

    A Cross of gift that I might share
    a glorious station beyond despair
    an embrace of wood, a painful friend
    who guides me to a worthy end.

    To hold it close, a pained sigh!
    but the day will pass and I will cry
    as HE calls me home to eternally fly
    in God’s great glory, you and I.

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  27. 1P5,
    I would very much appreciate an Article in the near future on the Preternatural realm.
    A valuable and informative explanation on this topic would be of great service to your
    readership.

    The struggle in our time to hold fast to sincere and efficacious prayer amid the turmoil
    of the Church AND the surrounding material world could “arguably” be given greater impetus
    if spiritual advice pointed towards this direction and IT’S presence.

    The source of all our woes!
    Thank you.

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