Father Gabriele Amorth
In a recent article on the Secret of Fatima, Steve Skojec, the founder and editor of OnePeterFive, published, to my knowledge, for the first time in the English language words from Rome’s chief exorcist, Father Gabriele Amorth (d. 2016), about Padre Pio and his knowledge of the Third Secret of Fatima. They come from a newly published book written by JosΓ© MarΓa Zavala, entitled The Best Kept Secret of Fatima (El SΓ©creto Mejor Guardado de FΓ‘tima). OnePeterFive‘s contributor, Mr. Andrew Guernsey, was very helpful in finding these quotes. Since Mr. Skojec’s own article is somewhat lengthy, many readers may not have realized the importance of this interview with Father Amorth, which was only to be published after the priest’s death. In the following, I shall quote extensively from Steve’s own post which first speaks about Father Amorth’s own conviction that the specific Consecration of Russia has not yet taken place, and then enters into the larger discussion about Fatima:
It [a piece of the Fatima puzzle] came in the form of an interview with the very famous (and now deceased) Roman exorcist, Fr. Gabriel Amorth, also conducted by JosΓ© MarΓa Zavala. Fr. Amorth personally knew Saint (Padre) Pio for 26 years, and it is from this towering figure of 20th century Catholic sanctity that he claims to have learned the contents of the Third Secret of Fatima.
Fr. Amorth was interviewed by Zavala in 2011, who kept the interview secret until after the exorcistβs death, publishing it for the first time in his book about Fatima. In the interview, Fr. Amorth relates β as he has done elsewhere β that he does not believe the consecration of the world by Pope John Paul II in 1984 was sufficient to satisfy the requirements set forth by Our Lady.
βThere was no such consecration then,β he [Father Amorth] says. βI witnessed the act. I was in St. Peterβs Square that Sunday afternoon, very close to the Pope; so close, I could almost touch him.β
Pressed by Zavala as to why he so forcefully believes that the consecration was not done, Fr. Amorth replied: βVery simple: John Paul II wanted to mention Russia expressly, but in the end he did not.β
Zavala pressed the issue with Fr. Amorth, saying that Sister Lucia herself (as mentioned above) had said that Heaven had accepted the consecration. He describes an incredulous reaction from Fr. Amorth. βLucia said thatβ¦?β He asked. Zavala continues:
βWell, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said it, in the year 2000, hiding behind a letter [escudΓ‘ndose en una carta] from Lucia dated November 1989, in which she stated that Heaven had admitted consecration in spite of one of the most important conditions.
βHave you seen that letter?β He asks, as if conducting a police interrogation in search of evidence.
βNever,β I say flatly.
βI do not think youβll ever see it, because Iβm convinced that Lucia did not write it.β
βHow are you so sure of that?β
βWhy didnβt Bertone show it when he should have, when he announced the Third Secret of Fatima? A simple photocopy of the manuscript, included in the official dossier of the Vatican, would have been sufficient to dispel any doubt. If the Vatican has always been scrupulous in providing the documentary proof that authenticated the information by Lucia on minor matters, what reason would they have to skimp on the only documentary evidence that, according to Bertone, validated a fact that without doubt was of as much importance as the consecration performed by John Paul II?
βYes, itβs weird,β I admit.
βYou really think Lucia took five years to write that the consecration had been truly accepted? And that Bertone waited no less than sixteen years to announce the validity of something so crucial as the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?β Father Amorthβs voice sounds like dry leaves.
βItβs all very strange, in truth.β I [Zavala] nod again.
βMoreover,β he adds, βif the consecration of the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary made by Pius XII in 1942 was only partially accepted [because he did not specifically mention Russia β ed], for Jesus said that in view of it the war would only be shortened rather than finished immediately, why would He now change his mind with John Paul II, if Russia was not mentioned on this occasion?β
βIt would be an incongruity, yes.β
βRather.β
βSoβ¦?β
βI have no doubt that the consecration did not occur on the terms required by the Virgin. But we must not lose sight of what she herself wanted to tell us through Lucia: βIn the end My Heart Immaculate will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me and it will become [come to be], [thereby] granting itself to the world a time of peaceββ¦β
The interview digresses here from the topic of Fatima, but Zavala returns to it again later:
βForgive me for insisting on the Third Secret of Fatima: Did Padre Pio relate it, then, to the loss of faith within the Church?β
Fr. Gabriele furrows his brow and sticks out his chin. He seems very affected.
βIndeed,β he states, βOne day Padre Pio said to me very sorrowfully: βYou know, Gabriele? It is Satan who has been introduced into the bosom of the Church and within a very short time will come to rule a false Church.ββ
βOh my God! Some kind of Antichrist! When did he prophesy this to you?β I [Zavala] ask.
βIt must have been about 1960, since I was already a priest then.β
βWas that why John XXIII had such a panic about publishing the Third Secret of Fatima, so that the people wouldnβt think that he was the anti-pope or whatever it was β¦?β
A slight but knowing smile curls the lips of Father Amorth.
βDid Padre Pio say anything else to you about future catastrophes: earthquakes, floods, wars, epidemics, hunger β¦? Did he allude to the same plagues prophesied in the Holy Scriptures?β [asks Mr. Zavala]
βNothing of the sort mattered to him, however terrifying they proved to be, except for the great apostasy within the Church. This was the issue that really tormented him and for which he prayed and offered a great part of his suffering, crucified out of love.β [says Fr. Amorth]
βThe Third Secret of Fatima?β
βExactly.β
βIs there any way to avoid something so terrible, Fr. Gabriele?β
βThere is hope, but itβs useless if itβs not accompanied by works. Let us begin by consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, let us recite the Holy Rosary, let us all do prayer and penance β¦βΒ [emphasis added]
Thus ends Steve Skojec’s own presentation of certain passages of the new Zavala book on Fatima.
Father Amorth is a witness here to what Padre Pio β whom he first met when he himself was a seventeen-year-old young man β told him directly and personally. Father Amorth states in that same interview that Padre Pio even let him sometimes read his own spiritual diary.
As we reported earlier, Father Amorth had also already stated during his lifetime that he did not believe that the Consecration of Russia has taken place (a statement which was just confirmed by Cardinal Paul Josef Cordes). In December of 2015, Father Amorth had said:
The Consecration has not yet been made. I was there on March 25 [1984] in St. Peterβs Square, I was in the front row, practically within touching distance of the Holy Father. [Pope] John Paul II wanted to consecrate Russia, but his entourage did not, fearing that the Orthodox would be antagonized, and they almost thwarted him. Therefore, when His Holiness consecrated the world on his knees, he added a sentence not included in the distributed version that instead said to consecrate βespecially those nations of which you yourself have asked for their consecration.β So, indirectly, this included Russia. However, a specific consecration has not yet been made. You can always do it. Indeed, it will certainly be doneβ¦
As with other spiritual sons of Padre Pio β Dr. Ingo Dollinger and Father Luigi Villa, for example β it seems that Padre Pio is still effectively with us, working through those whom he met and guided while still on earth. It seems to be part of his legacy to help us in these difficult times. Let us then pray to Padre Pio of Pietrelcina and ask for his intercession!
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Satan is certainly ruling the Vatican and Church these days, through his friends.
Satan have his trabants in vatican for sure, but he is not ruling the true Mystical Body of Christ.
Thus, he is not ruling my Church, where I belongs to. Because the Church of Christ is ruled by Her Head, Christ Himself.
The partizans of satan are setting up a counter-church, a false church, which will be ape of the Church because, he the devil, is ape of God.
Therefore I recall again the words of ven. Fulton Sheen from his “Signs of Our Times”:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/12-tricks-anti-christ-will-use-to-destroy-christians
And prophecy of real saint and real Francis of Assisi:
https://plus.google.com/+DonQuijotNL/posts/QJK8CKvGKVL
Sheen’s prophetic words of an “Ape Church”, uttered long ago at a time when it would have seemed inconceivable, have always haunted me.
And now I am/we are in the midst of it.
So you reject the Third Secret of Fatima.
Vatican II closes and within ten years the Catholic Church has been hollowed out, almost (but not entirely) emptied of beauty and grace, dashed to pieces on the rocks of cultural Marxist Revolution.
Some decades later we have what some (JPII) called the “anti-Church”. Others call it “Frankenchurch”. This must be the false Church alluded to, controlled by a spirit antithetical to Catholicism.
We can’t deny what we have lived through and what we have before our eyes.
It’s just breathtaking, that we are actually living in these times. Saints and mystics trembled when Our Lord warned them that our day was coming. More shocking still is that many, many Catholics see little to be concerned about. The past fifty years of unremitting disintegration have done their work. The most unexpected feature of these times is probably how normal they seem to the majority of people living through them. They say “Peace, peace” when there is no peace.
“More shocking still…”
This reality has become a raking light for me.
I am beginning to believe that the entire post-council upheaval was deliberately calculated and participated in by key ecclesiastics in order to sufficiently dismantle a knowledgeable laity in order to make this current “moment” possible. Catechesis before the council made fifth graders sufficiently knowledgeable of the Faith that no bishop or pope could get away with the current nonsense without being pertinently questioned. No hyperbole in what I’ve just said regarding the theological acumen of a fifth grader in 1963.
Two things hold me back from giving into the “deliberately calculated” theory. I have yet to meet anyone, let alone a cleric or ecclesiastic smart enough to set off such a domino event. Secondly, there have been too many holy men and women who would have become aware of such a calculation and inevitably blown the whistle. Even Archbishop Lefebvre did not (to my knowledge) express such a theory.
In any event, we got what we got. The Barque of Peter appears presently to be a Ship of Fools captained by who knows what.
Beautifully stated.
The deliberate calculation came from “powers and principalities” working through useful idiots and dedicated servitors. The combination has been devastating and I believe it coincides with a terrible loss of grace with the rejection in 1960 of Our Lady of Fatima’s request. the missing piece here is Pope Leo XIII’s vision. He must have seen this threatening apostasy and thus his invocation to St. Michael, his campaign against modernism and his emphasis on the Rosary. We know what we must do. Pray that St. Michael prayer, resist every nuance and deadly complacency of modernism and pray pray pray the Holy Rosary.
And Matt I agree with you. Catholics, so many at least, seem blissfully unaware of the thickening darkness and the lack of spiritual oxygen. There is such an innate instinct to put normalcy over everything. “Normalcy Bias” I guess it’s called. I said to a friend to day after Mass, “this is no movie, this is really happening! You have to just keep reminding yourself. It’s happening. It’s here. It’s now.” It requires living a two track life. Fierce spiritual warfare and constant interior prayer, and then the normal life around you with those who have no clue what is happening. At least that’s my life. I am surrounded for the most part but those complacent people who do not want to look beneath the veil.
“Normalcy Bias.” I’m going to be using that!
And, as you say, pray pray pray.
God bless you.
Ann, The Prayer to Saint Michael Archangel must be Reinstated where It Belongs and was Intended to be. Pray for me as II am trying to get the Bishop of my Diocese to Push and again Reinstate in ALL our Parishes here. THANK YOU ALL. From— Michael Long E-mail ———— [email protected]
Our pastor just announced at Mass yesterday that because Satan was so ever present that we would be saying the St. Michael prayer at the end of Mass from now on.
thats awesome!
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“Catholics, so many at least, seem blissfully unaware of the thickening darkness ..”.
Beautifully put. I think that many of them see it but just don’t care. Modern life has become such a burden that anything too big is just ignored.
Yes. They anesthetize themselves. Honestly, it is easy to fall into that trap without God’s grace. I keep thinking of St. Peter saying “scoffers will say to you, everything goes on just as it always did…” when the early Christians tried to warn of coming chastisements and the return of Christ. Nothing changes does it?
Very little! And the reason why is that the one constant throughout history is the reality of FALLEN human nature.
I too often feel that way, deep interior warfare while surrounded by people in complete ignorance of any problems, almost zombie-like
Archbishop Lefebvre did indeed spot this and wrote about it directly in his “Letter to Confused Catholics”.
In a word – freemasonry.
I have come to believe that the long-term plan exists, and has and has as its movers key men in key positions. They may have worn – and the second generation of this brood of vipers does still wear – the purple or the red, but they aren’t Catholics, they are Lodge brothers.
Bang on James. A Francis appearing in 1960 could not succeed in deceiving the Catholic masses as they were too well trained in the faith. It required 50 years of moving them out the door via modernism to make them ripe for apostasy.
Matt, What a Great Grace, ( We are Called to live in these times ). What a Blessing, so many Saints actually desired to have lived in the Time and Days we are now . I Call it a ( Holy Envy of us.) We have a Very Special chance to unite ALL of our Sufferings, Pains and Sorrows to JESUS on the Most Holy Cross. —– ( In this Day and Age. ). Mother Mary Angelica is a Saint. She is one of my Patroness Saints. From——- Michael Long, E-mail—- [email protected]
It is a great grace, isn’t it? I was just reading from St. Therese of Lisieux where she wished that she could live in the time of Antichrist so that she suffer for Christ. How blessed we would be if we were called to suffer for Christ for a little.
I have a confession to make: I attend a Novus Ordo parish. I do so because I have not yet persuaded my family to come over to the EF, and I still believe that sanctifying grace is available through the OF, flawed though it may be.
At any rate, I often find myself wondering what the saints of the past would say if they could see the parishioners shamble up towards the female “eucharistic ministers” to the sound of piano gospel tunes, chatting with each other and fidgeting before casually taking Our Lord in their hands and stuffing him in their mouths. Easily 95% of the people take the Eucharist in hand. I am only aware of one other person in the church who kneels to take Our Lord, an old lady who still wears her mantilla.
She and I are no doubt objects of curiosity–an old woman who “dresses like a muslim” for church and a young man who makes everyone wait a few extra seconds by kneeling.
I grew up an indifferent Protestant. I left Protestantism for atheism. By the grace of God, I discovered the fullness of truth and beauty found only in the Catholic Church. And here I am, attending what appears to be in all but name a Protestant worship service.
It makes my blood boil.
How is it that I can be at Mass, in the presence of the hidden Jesus himself, and feel this way? How is it that the greatest sacrament in our Faith appears to be leading me to the “near occasion of sin?”
Get out of there, get to the TLM asap, you can go there for confession, I often do and of course with form, matter, intention and a validly ordained priest novus ordo is valid, but it’s never licit. Quo Primum is quite clear.
I’m in the same position. With the nearest Latin Mass 90 minutes down the road, we go to the most orthodox Novus Ordo parish we can. It’s getting harder and harder, and for the same reasons you mentioned. I’m resigned to treating it like a different religion where I can nevertheless still get the sacraments. The modern Church is just a wasteland. I will say a prayer for you, A Fatimist. Please, if you can, say a prayer for me as well.
That’s why I stopped going to the Novus Ordo. If it makes one angry, and disturbs the peace of one’s soul, it’s more than time to go elsewhere. Could you explain this to the folks at home Fatimist, and get their agreement to go TLM?
working on it….
A return to the Traditional Faith from the morass of heresy and apostasy by whatever name it may be called, Conciliar Catholicism, Protestant, etc., is a process and not an event.
I’m pretty sure you have found that in your experience, as I have in mine. I have found it necessary to leave the diocesan structures almost entirely because the synthesis of all heresies is pervasive there, and I am lucky enough to have a truly Traditional Chapel about 1/2 hour away.
I think your distraction and anger are appropriate reactions, and not sinful in and of themselves. If your eye offends thee, pluck it out. There are innumerable places of true and valid Traditional worship, and likely a selection within an hour or so of you. .
Don’t feel bad, because you are not alone. I feel exactly the same way you do, and I Pray to GOD for forgiveness because of those thoughts.
Sadly the “operation of error” has blinded the people around you. Give thanks to God that he has preserved you as a remnant out of “grace and truth”. The institution of the church as we know it is now the vehicle of error, as Our Lady warned and is prophesied in the Book of the Apocalypse. The Mystical Body which is the Church proper will always live on while the facade collapses. Only those who love the Truth and are willing to suffer for it will not be deceived. Pray your Rosary daily for the graces to see when others do not see.
I find peoples’ attitudes surrealt times.
Dear James, For us every time we think that the limit has been reached, somehow a new deception manages to rear it’s ugly head.
Ain’t that the truth.
As Matt says below more politely, it sucks the breath right out of you.
Every day one act of madness, disorientation designed to undermine the Faith and the faithful.
Do you know the prophecies of the Great Catholic Monarch and the Angelic Pope, comrade?
Yes indeed. These were a staple of millenarist Catholic prophecy going back to the times of the Bogomils and Fraticelli in the 13th century. However, the idea of a holy Emperor and angelic Pope was not only a staple of marauding sects of 13th Century peasants but I think appears again in much 19th century prophecy too (can’t say I know too much about the latter examples).
I do, here’s the gist of it: they’re coming, and from the signs of the times, soon.
Anna Katerina Emmerich speaks of a time, where, in the midst of terrible tribulations, at length will appear a Great King/Holy Roman Emperor who will unite with a suffering angelic pontiff, during a time where she sees a “strange Mass with no Last Gospel”. It’s there in her writings.
JPII shepherded us along the long road to Frankenchurch did he not, over his 25 year superstar reign? We experienced the degradation of the Litugy, the suppression of the SSPX, the indifferentism of Assisi including the kissing of the Koran which blasphemes Christ, WYD papal Mass in Denver where Jesus was depicted as a woman and caused Mother Angelica great sorrow. It’s painful to acknowledge but we must not recoil from this truth.
I agree with you Pearl of York. From — Michael Long E-mail — [email protected]
Buddha statue on the tabernacle at Asissi and that Faustina divine mercy he approved is balderdash too, takes away or tries to from the Sacred Heart and the rosary. Neg me all you like, too many inconsistenciesand weirdness in her life and biography.
Yes, Maureen Mullarkey recently illuminated some of the peculiarities surrounding her canonization.
Yes I’ve also read of a few weirdnesses in her claims.
Can’t really believe she was canonized so easily.
Saints aren’t a mystery, they’re not a head scratcher, when a real saint is a saint, say like St. Maria Goretti or St. Padre Pio, or St. Therese everyone says YES! That was a saint! There’s no “well, they said this weird thing in their diary and this here supposedly from God was very odd..etc.”
Did you read her diary?
Yes I did, and the principal error which it presents is that of an unconditional mercy. There is no unconditional mercy, it doesn’t exist, never has, the Lord is both merciful AND just.
On page 168: βThe moment I knelt down to cross out my own will, as the Lord had bid me to do, I heard this voice in my soul: From now on, do not fear Godβs judgment, for you will not be judged.β from 2/4/1935.
That’s completely false, and a lie. Only the Blessed Virgin is free of the general and particular judgement.
She also says that the βLord Jesusβ appeared to her and told her, βNow, I know that it is not for the graces or gifts that you love Me, but because My Will is dearer to you than life. That is why I am uniting Myself with you so intimately as with no other creature.β (Divine Mercy in My Soul, The Diary of Sr. Faustina, 10/2/36
Really? More so than He is united to the Blessed Virgin Mary? C’mon, how could anyone read this and believe it on face value?
In another entry she claims how the holy Eucharist flew into her hands and this is in the Church which up until Vatican II explicitly said only the consecrated hands of a priest could touch the holy Eucharist. This is easy to see, a deception of the devil to make it seem okay for reception of our Lord in the hand.
That particular message was for Sister Faustina, not for the public at large. She’s turning her will completely over to God. You, too, will not be judged (damned) if you turn your will completely over to God. The whole message of the Divine Mercy is for people to repent and seek God’s mercy. I’m not sure if you actually read the book. I don’t how you could have missed that. That is THE main point: repent, seek His mercy, trust in Jesus.
“β¦as with no other creature” does not necessarily include the Blessed Virgin Mary. There are many who think Mary was a sinner because Saint Paul said, “all have sinned.” I think it’s apparent to all, including every Catholic authority who would have read her diary before it went to press, that Mary has a singular relationship with God, and Faustina does not cast a pall over Our Lady.
Re: the Host flying into Sr. Faustina’s hands. It was a mystical experience. The Host also turned into the living Jesus. Mystical experiences are not to be understood so literally. She didn’t even consume the Host in her mystical experience, she placed it back in the tabernacle. It has nothing to do with receiving in the hand.
Her experiences took place decades before Vatican II, which did NOT call for reception in the hand, BTW. That abuse didn’t even start in Poland; it started in the Netherlands and Belgium. Pope Paul VI tried numerous times to nip that abuse in the bud, but the abuse spread particularly in America because of disobedient bishops who outright lied to the pope telling him it was already a well-established practice when it wasn’t. There is no correlation to Saint Faustina’s mystical visions and reception in the hand. Her diary didn’t even make it out of Poland until 1979, and by that time, reception in the hand had become widespread. Her diary had ZERO influence on reception in the hand in America, because the English translation was not released until 1987. By that time, reception in the hand was already the norm, thanks to disobedient bishops, not Saint Faustina, who was humble and obedient to Jesus, to her superiors, to her confessors.
The Church does not require the faithful to believe in any private revelation such as Saint Faustina’s. So there is no need to rail against it. Let others profit from it, from the message that they can trust in Jesus and seek His mercy.
I agree . If we had not a Polish pope, her works would probably still be forbidden reading. She was on the Index for years, and kept there by 3 popes, from what I have read.
The Post about the Coptic Christians Martyrdom. Is from—- Michael Long. E-mail —- [email protected]
Nice to see you again, Great One. Gone are the days when your wise humor graced the Remnant pages – their loss and ours.
Thank you Comrade. Mr Matt has become rather paranoid, and feeling himself encircled, has ejected various people who are actually on his side. The Leader of the proletariat is only one of them.
Church Militant’s interview with Dr. Alice von Hildebrand mentions something along these lines. It’s well worth listening to.
I have it from the highest source that Lucia’s claim that JP2’s consecration of the world had been accepted by heaven is true in so far as it went. It did NOT, however, include any statement that could be interpreted as fulfilling Our Lady’s instruction for the consecration of Russia, which has not been fulfilled. For their own nefariuos purposes those in power have intentionally distorted the truth. Mary made it clear that her request and its fulfillment was the will of Jesus. Failure to comply is a serious act of disobedience to the will of God. Her request MUST be fulfilled by October 13 of this year if it is to be accepted. If the consecration of Russia is not nade by that date, the Church will receive further and more severe chastisements.
Who is this highest source?
I fear what we are more likely to see in October is the signing of the ‘Joint Declaration on the Way’ and a de facto opening up of the Holy Eucharist to Lutherans.
If not the canonization by papal acclamation of the mad Luther himself…
I never heard of this ( Joint Declaration on the Way ) I will try to look it up. Are there any Comments on this subject from Cardinal Raymond Burke ? THANK YOU ALL. Michael Emerson Long. E-mail is Michael Long. E– mail — [email protected]
“The woman clothed with the sun with the moon at her feet..” from the 12th Chapter of the Apocalypse occurs one time and one time only, on 10/11/17. Coincidentally, that’s John XXIII’s feast day, the very pope who was to have made the consecration in 1960. Instead he put it back in the envelop and wrote on it “not for our time.”
Watch and pray, watch and pray, 15 mysteries every day.
The readers of this website may not be familiar with the Marian Movement of Priests, an apostolate started by the request of the Blessed Mother to Father Stefano Gobbi (R.I.P.), but in at least 4 different messages to Father Gobbi, the Virgin says that the consecration to her Immaculate Heart has not been carried out as requested by her. Those messages were after 1984. So even though Sr. Lucia’s communications may have been compromised, Our Lady still got the word out through Padre Pio and Father Amorth and Father Gobbi. Let us pray that the priests and the laity will start of groundswell of support for Pope Benedict 16 to carry out this request with as many bishops and faithful as he can.
Home, I used to be a Member of the Lay Prayer Group the Marian Movement of Priests. i have not been in touch with them for many years. I am a Legion of Mary Member. Your Post has caused me to check in with the same Lay Marian Movement Priests Prayer Group. I Desire to re– join them. THANK YOU ALL. From——- Michael Long. E–mail ——- [email protected]
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Please if anyone can help, please could you pray for a dear friend of ours. Her name is Jeanette Salerno and she is most probably one of the few spiritual daughters of Saint Padre Pio that is alive today. If I could describe her I would say that she is a very good straight talking New Yorker. She met Saint Padre Pio as a young lady and her stories of her experiences are amazing however at the moment she is in intensive care in New York, she has a few good books left to write about her experiences however she has suffered never ending problems since last August.
Hello dearest Christopher,
It is so good to see you. I will certainly pray for this holy lady. I pray for you as well. I hope all is well with you, friend Christopher.
May God bless you and our Lady watch over you,
Terra
Thank you Terra, You are in my prayers too!
Prayers going up Christopher.
Thank you Ann. Praying for you as well.
Excellent. Very revealing article.
1) Let me add a little correction: The translation to
“escudΓ‘ndose en una carta” = “hiding behind a letter”
is not quite correct, in the strict sense of its original meaning.
The translation – I must admit – is not easy nor straightforward.
As a Spanish speaking reader, let me try to give it a better context:
When someone says “escudΓ‘ndose en”, he really means that he
is defending himself (or his argument), or – more textually – “shielding”
himself (or his argument) by using or referring to something (a letter, in this
case) to protect himself (or his argument).
Naturally, the letter was never shown or displayed, so it was missing or “hiding”.
In this latter sense, the translation is OK.
I hope this little comment is helpful for English speaking readers.
2) One question: here and there I’ve seen pictures of Lucia, taken at
different times of her life. There is an argument of a “fake” Lucia, based
on differences in her teeth, chin and profile which can’t be reasonably
be explained, as well as differences in the original handwriting of her
letters. I’ll appreciate if you can clarify on this.
Thank you very much.
Please receive my sincere congratulations for this article.
JLM – Argentina
Thank you. I did the translation with the help of Google and my own very rusty Spanish, and I could not find a proper way to contextualize that phrase, which is why I included the Spanish parenthetical, so native speakers might have context.
As for your second question, I honestly don’t know what to make of such assertions. I’ve seen persuasive arguments for and against, but I personally tend towards Occam’s Razor and against the fake Lucia theory, if only because it would have been a hard thing to maintain.
No one saw Sr. Lucia for about a decade, including her spiritual director, from late 1950’s to her first public appearance in 1967, and not many people had photographs to access and compare. I think it would be quite easy to pull off a false Sr. Lucia, and that is frightening because it means some relatively high up Church officials were involved in the cover up.
Compare the two pictures, of the supposedly same woman, they’re not the same woman, different physical features that even plastic surgery could not produce. For whatever reason some people in the Church felt really strongly about subverting the message of Fatima and they evidently went to great, albeit clumsy lengths to do so.
The late Belgian Fr. Eduoard Dhanis, SJ, a great friend I understand of Suenens and Danneels, long was a principle enemy of Fatima and Sr. Lucia in particular, and was almost demonic in his vicious accusations (he flat out called her an imposter ) against the miracle and apparition.
That’s interesting. I crossed paths with the late Fr. Fox when I visited Hanceville (mother Angelica’s temple). He was for years a Fatima rug sweeper under. I won’t give my impression of him in this forum but it wasn’t great. May God rest his soul, he’s gone to his reward.
Thanks, Steve!
Anyhow, this very critical information has been known for many years, thanks to the many, many Clients of Mary.
My hope is that your article will assist in propagating this Message from Heaven, even further, for the Truimph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, through out the world, beginning with Russia as prescribed by Heaven, so to speak, and in our hearts, in our homes, and in our Catholic Churches, especially in the hearts of the Ministers of our Catholic Church.
JAMLY,
hobo euie
So……. Sedevacantism?
Never.
Two readings I strongly recommend to give light on what IS this current pope’s thinking and training. The late and former Fr. Malachy Martin’s well-writte book, “The Jesuits,” and the late Fr. Nichols Gruner’s “Crusaders of Fatima,” with the availability of a 2 volumed paper back booklets, “The Devil’s Final Battle,” edited and published by Fr. Pail Kramer. This 2 booklets are heavily documented with footnotes, and one can soon see how the Church was soon infected by the “Smoke of Satan” after Vatican II, read all about the gradual attempts at the dissolutions of the Faith and feel that Cardinal Bertone, was an “agent of Satan, with his Vatican Machiavellian maneuvers as a very false and lying cardinal !!!
I’ve recently done a turnaround on this element of Fatima. I believe it’s the Holy Ghost that is preventing the “consecration of Russia” from taking place, because the “request” for the consecration cannot have come from our Lady. Bear with me. We now see the phenomenon of the unwitting desire to see the Pope subtly submitting the governance of the Church and the power to exercise the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven to the alleged commands of an apparition of the BVM told to him by proxies. A request for consecration by itself is nothing odd or wrong,but the various prophecies and basically “threats” to the Pope (eg. do thisβ¦.or else disaster will follow…the Holy Father will suffer much etc..) as part of this request/command make it a form of extortion. That’s not the character of the Blessed Mother or anything from Heaven. There is nothing like it in any previous apparitions. No Pope, whether he be liberal, conservative, orthodox, modernist, holy and pious or venal and arrogant should acquiesce to this benign sounding request that is really not benign. It literally puts the papacy at the service of apparitions. Even our Lady has no authority over the Church on earth. And she would not presume to interfere with the Divine institution of the Church set in place by our Lord. Good Pope or Bad Pope, no Pope is to be commanded by anyone to do anything until Jesus Himself returns for the final judgment.
dumb.
Just going around trolling me it seems. Cute, but unimpressive.
You lost me on the opinion that “…Even Our Lady has no authority over the Church on earth.”
Please don’t tell me you really hold that opinion, or, respectfully, God help you if you think so.
What specific authority do you believe our Lady has over the Church on earth? I’ll offer a few rhetorical questions to demonstrate what my point is. Did some council document place her with a veto power over the Pope? Does she have some kind of Archdiocese that she is in charge of? If she decides to change the Church calendar or change some liturgical element of the Mass, does she have her own protocol in Canon law? Who is it that Vatican I states has Supreme authority over the Church on earth? Is it the Blessed Mother or the Pope? The answer is obvious. The Blessed Mother does not exert any authority in the Church on earth. She exerts influence on the members of the Church according to their relationship to her.
Ah! So, ‘authority’ same as the Holy Trinity! Not too shabby! Maybe legit? Maybe truer than any man-made ‘authority?’
Hmm. Let me think, “What specific authority does the Blessed Virgin exert over the Church?”
Well, probably not much–at least for Gerald.
Oh, there are those titles, you know: Mater boni consilii, “Mother of Good Counsel”; Mater Divinae gratia, “Mother of Divine Grace”; Virgo potens, “Virgin Most Powerful”; Sedes Sapientiae, “Seat of Wisdom”, Speculum justitiae, “Mirror of Justice”, plus “Queen of Angels, of patriarchs, of prophets, of apostles, of martyrs, of confessors, of virgins, of all saints..”
But other than those titles, which probably are all fluff and nonsense, then Gerald would be right, she who crushed the serpent’s head has not much authority over the Church. Definitely not over the “church” we see around us today.
oldwarrior,
Can you make the distinction between the Church Militant (ie. Church on earth) and the Church triumphant? Mary’s relationship to the Church on earth is one of her intercession on a person to person basis. “Refuge of Sinners” is one of her titles. It is the Divinely established office of the papacy which has supreme authority over the Church on earth. Let’s be clear, Our Lady is not the “Vicar of Christ.” Mary does not have the power to bind and loose. She can’t ordain priests nor consecrate bishops nor confect the Holy Eucharist. She does not hold the Keys to the Kingdom. Feel free to find for me a binding document from an ecumenical council which says the Pope is subordinate to the BVM when visionaries claim to carry instructions for him to carry out. “or…there will be much suffering.”
It’s an insult to think the Blessed Mother would convey such an anti-papal and disrespectful message at all, much less through intermediaries.
Legal, temporal juridical authority vs. moral authority: Bl. Virgin has consummate moral authority.
But to say the Bl. Virgin “exerts no authority over the Church” approaches the bizarre.
You are saying that the Pope is not the supreme moral authority on earth? When the Pope speaks on matters of faith and morals binding the whole Church, isn’t that considered infallible? What is bizarre are people running around saying that because the Popes haven’t consecrated Russia “appropriately” or “exactly as our Lady commanded” that the Pope is being “disobedient to the Mother of God.” Why have infalliblity at all when we’ve got peasant girls giving us continuous instructions over the decades for Popes to obey? And if they don’t, the world will come to a near end. They are claiming that it’s the Blessed Mother giving instructions from Christ. Why have a Church at that point? We have Sr. Lucia tellling us what is bound on earth is bound in Heaven. Whatever she was seeing or hearing if she saw or heard anything, one thing is for certain, it was not the Blessed Mother.
Gerard, do you deny that the Church has approved the Fatima apparitions as worthy of belief? Do you deny that every single Pope from Pius XI has taken the warnings given at Fatima most seriously? Do you deny that these same Popes have all travelled to Fatima to venerate the Immaculata in the capelinha there? I was about fifty yards from one of them, Benedict XVI, on his visit.
Are you therefore saying that a whole string of Popes has venerated Our Lady of Fatima sure in their own minds that it’s all a load of old cobblers?
How likely do you think that is? And therefore, is your new position likely to be accurate, or not?
Church approval of an apparition, like an imprimatur to a publication is subject to error. It has no extraordinary protections. Re: the Popes. Fr. Malachi Martin stated plainly that John XXIII did not believe in Fatima. He stated Pope John was saying the children thought that Russia was a wicked woman living in a city.
The amazing thing is that we have a whole string of Popes of varying quality that have not accomplished the “consecration” as “requested.” Benedict XVI claimed that Fatima was something referring to the past, not the future. He also did not acquiesce to the demand for the consecration. The core of Fatima is not really different from Lourdes, that is what the Popes have focused on. The visions and prophecies and whatnot are obviously not a great worry to these Popes in such a way that they would jump to fulfill them.
To mention Fr. Martin again, he often used to say, “Rome does not correct their mistakes, they try to live with them.” So, while Fatima’s visionaries and prophecies may have some obvious errors in them, the Popes are not going to abandon the core of conversion and repentence since they aren’t exclusive to the apparition and they aren’t going to condemn anything about it, since the cult of Fatima is so varied and strong that they aren’t going to scandalize the faithful with an overt correction. They’ll just try to outwait it.
Once you step back and question the premise that it is the genuine message of the BVM and you measure the message itself against the doctrine and Divine institution of the Church, all of these problems suddenly emerge in high relief. Sr. Lucia’s various statements present serious problems. She is at one point, one claiming that disobedience to the request/command/threat and disbelief in Fatima is a sin against the Holy Ghost. Sr. Lucia essentially starts to exercise the power to bind and loose the Universal Church. No wonder she was silenced and kept in a monastery and monitored. We don’t have a dual Magisterium or dual papacy, the Pope and the visionaries he takes orders from. That’s not the Catholic Church. No miracle of the sun nor vast devotion nor wayward liberal Popes can justify the subjucation of the papacy.
So, just to push a little more. Given that the messages were clearly prophetic (“If My requests are heeded, Russia will be converted and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated.” – this was before the Russian Revolution) – is your position that:
1. The Fatima messages were demonic in origin?
2. The three children made it all up, and just happened to put Russia into the mix, a country of which they had never heard?
We have to clarify exactly what words were actually said and when. None of the “prophecies” were revealed till after the facts for one thing and it seems the messages keep changing over time.
Go watch on youtube, Bishop Sheen’s recounting of Fatima. He points out Pius XII’s consecration as a bishop by Benedict XV on Oct. 13, 1917 and views him as the Pope who suffered as a result of Russia spreading its errors. The nations that were annihilated were already being annihilated by the time the “message” was written down by Lucia. To make the message fit, Sheen said, “WWII must have started in Spain during that Civll War in the eyes of Heaven.”
Sheen makes no mention of any specific consecration of Russia to Mary or her Immaculate Heart being part of the “either/or” description attributed to our Lady. What was being asked was “penance and prayer.”
He says, the warning is, “If people continue to turn away from God…etc. ” and, “.. in the end, God will Triumph.”
He makes no reference to any specific consecration,as being the key factor in preventing calamity. In other words, he either ignores the consecration, request/command/threat or that element is a distorting accretion to the message of Fatima.
The Fatima that Sheen describes is very, very different in certain essentials from the “Fatima” being discussed today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWzPU1oeViM
She is a MOST HOLY MOTHER TRYING TO DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER. You purposefully disregard Her: βFIATβ . She has NEVER deviated from HIS WILL. What a dishonor you give to the mother of GOD. JESUS DOES NOT LIKE THAT, AND DOES NOT FORGET. Since the 1500βs She has been trying to get us under Her Mantle. And how Exceedingly OBSTINATE and evil we have been. If you cannot understand the GREAT LOVE and DETERMINATION She, our Mother, has for us. Well, await the day that GOD reminds you, that disobeying Her is Disobeying Him. She IS THE PREFERRED PROPHET OF GOD, THE TRINITY! HE LOVES HER MORE THAN ALL HIS CREATION.
You will eat your words, as you must be a motherless child to make such absurd comments about the GREATEST LOVING MOTHER THAT EXISTS, and sadly knows what will befall most of Her children!
πΉAVE MARIAπΉ
Steve-
Do you know of any proteges of Fr. Amorth who are still active in the Church? In other words, does the line of Padre Pio’s ministry through him continue to this day?
Father Amorth was the prime mover behind the new training course in Rome for exorcists. This great service alone is enough to take care of Fr. Amorth’s own legacy in the Church. Not sure if there is any link with that to Padre Pio.
As Pope Paul the 6th said ” the smoke of satan has entered thru the cracks in the church”. I firmly believe the consecration was NOT properly performed and the Vatican is and has been in full cover up mode with respect to the 3rd Secret that certainly includes the APOSTASY within the church, that we are now witnessing. It’s interesting how they manipulated Sr Lucia ( that the consecration was done) and manipulated and changing Our Lady’s OWN words .
We can see today with the aggression of Russia and turmoil they are creating, the consecration was never performed. Hopefully we can avert any further tragedy, pray that our Blessed Mother will intervene and help the Bishops organize a full consecration of Russia to her.
If St. Pio knew it, why would he share it?
Just under 30 mins. Documentary re: Fatima secret in which Sr. Lucia affirmed it was done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fHmtZlbVbc
In the book, To the Priests Our Lady’s Beloved Sons, by Fr. Stefano Gobbi, Our Lady says three times that, the consecration has not been done, and that “it will be done when the bloody events are well on their way to actuality.” But, she goes on to say, that in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. She also says “I ask this consecration also from all the bishops, from all the priests, from all the religious and from all the faithful.”
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