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Why Bishops Should Condemn Fr. Martin’s Dangerous Bridge

The crisis in the Church today is accelerating at a speed surprising even by post-conciliar standards. Nowhere is this more obvious than the current shift in how the Catholic Church addresses homosexuality. The election of Pope Francis four years ago, the subsequent synods on the family, and several strategic promotions within the hierarchy have led to a watershed moment in the 2,000 history of the Church.

Later this month Harper Collins will publish the latest book from Jesuit Fr. James Martin, editor at large of America Magazine. Fr. Martin is also well known for his large social media presence (over 100,000 followers on Twitter and more than a half million on Facebook), as well as his past appearances on the Colbert Report on Comedy Central, and his consultative work on Martin Scorsese’s recent movie Silence. He was also recently tagged by Pope Francis to join the Secretariat of Communications dicastery in Rome as a consultant on means of evangelizing the world in the digital age.

Herein lies the problem, and it’s known by everyone in the Church, but sadly too often excused or dismissed: Fr. James Martin has become a vocal activist for “LGBT Catholics”, even going so far as to receive awards from dissident groups like New Ways Ministry (who openly support same sex marriage and call for the Church to evolve on this issue).

Fr. Martin also frequently takes to social media with articles and quotes in support of LGBT activism and talking points, only to receive praise from his followers. When doctrine is misstated by those very same followers, or they openly endorse homosexual acts as being holy and normal, he fails to correct them. That he sows confusion is evident after only a few minutes of reviewing his social media accounts.


In many ways, however, Fr. James Martin is a perfect representation of the contemporary Church. He is a post-conciliar poster child. He is the embodiment of the new Francis Church, where accompaniment, encounter, and dialogue (“building bridges”) have pride of place over outdated words such as sin, repentance, conversion, grace, judgement, Heaven, or Hell.

One only need to look at the endorsements given his soon to be released book Building a Bridge to realize where we are today. We are experiencing one of the great crises in the history of the Church.

Not one, but two recently-promoted cardinals have endorsed Fr. Martin’s book. Cardinal Kevin Farrell, whom Pope Francis appointed as Prefect of the Dicastery for Laity, Family, and Life, writes:

“A welcome and much-needed book that will help bishops, priests, pastoral associates, and all church leaders more compassionately minister to the LGBT community. It will also help LGBT Catholics feel more at home in what is, after all, their church.”

Cardinal Joseph Tobin of Newark, New Jersey says:

“In too many parts of our church LGBT people have been made to feel unwelcome, excluded, and even shamed. Father Martin’s brave, prophetic, and inspiring new book marks an essential step in inviting church leaders to minister with more compassion, and in reminding LGBT Catholics that they are as much a part of our church as any other Catholic.”

The very problematic and progressive Bishop Robert McElroy of San Diego, appointed by Pope Francis, writes:

“The Gospel demands that LGBT Catholics must be genuinely loved and treasured in the life of the church. They are not. [Fr. Martin] provides us with the language, perspective, and sense of urgency to replace a culture of alienation with a culture of merciful inclusion.”

And then, among the endorsements of these prelates, we find Sr. Jeannine Gramick of the previously mentioned New Ways Ministry:

“Father Martin shows how the Rosary and the rainbow flag can peacefully meet each other. A must-read.”

So why would New Ways Ministry invite Fr. Martin to address their Bridge Building Award ceremony, and why would Sr. Gramick be asked to endorse his new book? After all, neither seek accompaniment, but rather acceptance-not of themselves but of their lifestyle.

And this is why we, the laity, need our bishops and priests — those who still hold to the gospel truth and Catholic doctrine — to condemn this bridge of Fr. Martin’s and an increasing number of bishops and cardinals. The bridge being built isn’t designed for repentance, conversion, and sanctity. It is not a bridge built to lead souls to heaven. In fact, the entire language of this current movement is completely void of the supernatural. It is therapeutic language solely focused on a temporal end: acceptance. It is capitulation to the cultural left rather than proclamation of the gospel truth.

This proposed accompaniment and encounter, this bridge being built, is not meant to bring souls out of sin and into a life of grace, but rather it seeks the conversion of the Church. It waits for the Church to evolve on this topic. Few in the movement care whether or not doctrine can or will change (it can’t); pastoral evolution accomplishes their work for them. At least for now.

By comparison, look to the international apostolate Courage which seeks to help people struggling with same sex attraction. From their site:

Persons with homosexual desires have always been with us; however, until recent times, there has been little, if any, formal outreach from the Church in the way of support groups or information for such persons. Most were left to work out their path on their own. As a result, they found themselves listening to and accepting the secular society’s perspective and opting to act on their same-sex desires.

In concluding their purpose, Courage notes:

In helping individuals gain a greater understanding and appreciation of the Church’s teachings, especially in the area of chastity, Courage extends the Church’s invitation to a life of peace and grace. In chaste living, one finds the peace and grace to grow in Christian maturity.

But here is why an apostolate like Courage will receive no public endorsement from the cardinals and bishop quoted above, or from Fr. James Martin: it begins with the clearly stated understanding that the homosexual act, just like pre-marital sex, or adultery, or any other sin of the flesh, must be conquered. Their accompaniment does not come at the cost of sowing confusion or with a tacit endorsement of a continuing homosexual lifestyle.

What Courage does have that the erroneous new movement doesn’t is a profoundly spiritual component. This is their bridge, designed to bring active homosexuals back into a life of grace:

  1. To live chaste lives in accordance with the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching on homosexuality. ( Chastity )
  2. To dedicate our entire lives to Christ through service to others, spiritual reading, prayer, meditation, individual spiritual direction, frequent attendance at Mass, and the frequent reception of the sacraments of Reconciliation and Holy Eucharist. (Prayer and Dedication)
  3. To foster a spirit of fellowship in which we may share with one another our thoughts and experiences, and so ensure that no one will have to face the problems of homosexuality alone. (Fellowship)
  4. To be mindful of the truth that chaste friendships are not only possible but necessary in a chaste Christian life; and to encourage one another in forming and sustaining these friendships. (Support)
  5. To live lives that may serve as good examples to others. (Good Example/Role Model)

The other reason why this new bridge being built is dangerous  and must be condemned is that it is part of the ongoing movement to discontinue the very language found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church related to same sex attraction. This, sadly, is consistent with the message being given by Rome these days. But nevertheless, the Catechism instructs:

“Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.” (CCC 2357)

The genesis of Fr. James Martin’s book was an America Magazine essay entitled, Simply Lovingand his address at the October 2016 New Ways Ministry event. Both taken together provide us with the strategy being employed to de-emphasize and confuse the Church’s teaching on human sexuality. We can generally break down this faulty bridge building into three components:

The Absence of Conversion: Unlike the Courage apostolate, nowhere in this strategy is repentance or conversion discussed. Instead, the focus is on the overly feminized and therapeutic language objectives of “respect, compassion, and sensitivity.” Fr. Martin notes that this comes directly from paragraph 2358 of the Catechism. However, when separated from the preceding language of the paragraph above, the context and balance is completely lost. Intentionally so. Authentic Catholic accompaniment requires that we include the language of sin and grace, mercy and judgement. Anything less is simply giving our struggling brothers and sisters a false compassion, or worse, affirmation of their error.

The Secular Language of the LGBT Left: Fr. Martin states that people have a right to name themselves. He told his audience at the New Ways ceremony:

“Names are important. Thus, church leaders are invited to be attentive to how they name the L.G.B.T. community and lay to rest phrases like “afflicted with same-sex attraction,” which no L.G.B.T. person I know uses, and even “homosexual person,” which seems overly clinical to many…I’m saying that people have a right to name themselves. Using those names is part of respect.”

In the current environment where self-definition has grown to include gender fluidity and transgenderism, Fr. Martin’s words are eerily similar to that of the sexual left. Further, the actual designation of “LGBT” for a group of people was a 1990’s construct of the secular Left. This is an identification with a set of beliefs and an agenda, one based on the approval and promotion of homosexuality as normal behavior. And this brings us to the third and final strategic aim…

The Depersonalization of the SSA Catholic: What the Courage apostolate does so well, and what the Catholic religion has always instructed, is to recognize the dignity of the individual. Fr. Martin and those bishops who support him also claim this. The problem, however, is that the LGBT label and movement that they have decided to embrace does just the opposite. The individual takes a backseat to the group and to the behavior. The same-sex attracted Catholic is defined by their sexuality and through identity politics.

It is interesting to note that Fr. Martin acknowledged this himself during his address at New Ways Ministry, although the irony of it seems to have been lost upon him:

“In this, as in all things, Jesus is our model. When Jesus encountered people on the margins, he saw not a category but a person.”

This is not the model he is following however.

What must be done at this time is for faithful bishops, priests, and laity to openly oppose this false mercy proposed through a faulty bridge.

Bishops are the local ordinary for their diocese. They can deny any priest or bishop from speaking within their parishes and authorized conferences. This is what many have done with retired auxiliary Bishop Thomas Gumbleton of Detroit, who has frequented some of these very same New Ways Ministry events in the past.

Fr. James Martin will no doubt be promoting this new book heavily in the coming weeks. He will very likely be asked to speak at some parishes or on local Catholic radio. Our bishops and priests, and those in the laity with a platform to communicate the message, must help prevent further confusion.

No one is more threatened by this dangerous bridge than those brothers and sisters with same sex attraction. Let us see more of our priests and prelates directing them toward an apostolate like Courage, and away from those who would seek to “accompany” them right off the cliff.

Originally published at The post has been updated.

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251 thoughts on “Why Bishops Should Condemn Fr. Martin’s Dangerous Bridge”

  1. Martin is a card-carrying member of the lavender mafia. He’s an enemy of the Catholic Church and his ultimate goal is the acceptance of same-sex “relationships”, Communion for homosexuals who engage in sodomy and the elimination of the Catechism’s condemnation of this activity as seriously sinful.

    Of course, this is an enormous leap but every giant step can be broken down into 39 smaller steps so incrementalism prevails. First, we must be “welcoming”……blah, blah, blah… know how it goes, right folks? We know the dissident playbook by heart, at this stage.

    Not surprisingly, in the present climate, he recently received a promotion and is now a member of some Vatican group or other and his sissy-boy grin is now everywhere.

      • All ARE welcome. Welcome to repent and reform. Welcome to follow Christ’s teachings passed on through his Church. And Welcome to leave if they don’t like it.

      • This has been widely used in Protestant churches of all kinds. It’s an old evangelizing tool. Didn’t work then, won’t work now. Last time I saw it was on a Methodist sign in a small town. Also have seen it on Christian Science Reading Rooms.

          • Yes, you are right about his comments. Sometimes I think he thinks no lay person understands that he in fact speaks against the faith…its as if they expect us to not know or care about our faith

          • Very sad Eric. I wonder if it is just that they are so puffed up with a little education that they think all these truths mean nothing – centuries old faith and the blood of martyrs mean nothing – all these saints died for nothing. They have devoloped a very warped and distorted view of God and Man. It’s just crazy. Gross, self-deception.

          • I often wonder the same thing…a lot. It’s either they have extremely poor formation OR they know the Church is the body of Christ and actively and intentionally seek to destroy her….such as masons

          • And this would mean they don’t believe in prayer or the power of prayer…which means they believe nothing of the Sacraments…which means they have no faith….so what does being a priest mean to them?

          • Well they relish in their moment of having at least the appearance of controlling the Church….may God have mercy on them and may the demonic reality of what they do frighten them into repentance so they may have converted hearts

      • The Church is not theirs, it belongs to Christ and no matter what scheme is schemed by the prelates, they can’t and won’t have victory in this futile fight of theirs. May they repent with all of us…

        • Yes. This is what happens when you live in Sodom. It becomes very difficult to see the stars through all the pollution.

          Salvation depends on clearing away the pollution so that we can see the stars once again and make the honest choice: stars or sewage.

        • Some old fashioned views on sodomy:

          1. Athenagoras of Athens (2nd Century):
          “But though such is our character (Oh! why should I speak of things unfit to be uttered?), the things said of us are an example of the proverb, ‘The harlot reproves the chaste.’ For those who have set up a market for fornication and established infamous resorts for the young for every kind of vile pleasure – who do not abstain even from males, males with males committing shocking abominations, outraging all the noblest and comeliest bodies in all sorts of ways, so dishonoring the fair workmanship of God.”

          2. Tertullian (160-225) Tertullian was a great genius and apologist of the early Church.
          “But all the other frenzies of passions–impious both toward the bodies and toward the sexes–beyond the laws of nature, we banish not only from the threshold, but from all shelter of the Church, because they are not sins, but monstrosities.”

          3. Eusebius of Caesarea (260-341) the “Father of Church History”:
          “[God in the Law given to Moses] having forbidden all unlawful marriage, and all unseemly practice, and the union of women with women and men with men.”

          4. Saint Jerome (340-420) both Father and Doctor of the Church:
          “And Sodom and Gomorrah might have appeased it [God’s wrath], had they been willing to repent, and through the aid of fasting gain for themselves tears of repentance.”

          5. Saint John Chrysostom (347-407) Doctor of the Church.
          “But if thou scoffest at hearing of hell and believest not that fire, remember Sodom… Consider how great is that sin, to have forced hell to appear even before its time!… For that rain was unwonted, for the intercourse was contrary to nature, and it deluged the land, since lust had done so with their souls. Wherefore also the rain was the opposite of the customary rain. Now not only did it fail to stir up the womb of the earth to the production of fruits, but made it even useless for the reception of seed. For such was also the intercourse of the men, making a body of this sort more worthless than the very land of Sodom. And what is there more detestable than a man who hath pandered himself, or what more execrable?

          6. Saint Augustine (354-430):
          “Those offences which be contrary to nature are everywhere and at all times to be held in detestation and punished; such were those of the Sodomites, which should all nations commit, they should all be held guilty of the same crime by the divine law, which hath not so made men that they should in that way abuse one another. For even that fellowship which should be between God and us is violated, when that same nature of which He is author is polluted by the perversity of lust.”

          7. Saint Gregory the Great (540-604)both Father and Doctor of the Church:
          “Sacred Scripture itself confirms that sulfur evokes the stench of the flesh, as it speaks of the rain of fire and sulfur poured upon Sodom by the Lord. He had decided to punish Sodom for the crimes of the flesh, and the very type of punishment he chose emphasized the shame of that crime. For sulfur stinks, and fire burns. So it was just that Sodomites, burning with perverse desires arising from the flesh like stench, should perish by fire and sulfur so that through this just punishment they would realize the evil they had committed, led by a perverse desire.”

          8. Saint Peter Damian (1007-1072) Doctor of the Church, cardinal and a great reformer of the clergy, Saint Peter Damian wrote his famous Book of Gomorrah against the inroads made by homosexuality among the clergy. He describes not only the iniquity of homosexuality, but also its psychological and moral consequences:
          “Truly, this vice is never to be compared with any other vice because it surpasses the enormity of all vices.… It defiles everything, stains everything, pollutes everything. And as for itself, it permits nothing pure, nothing clean, nothing other than filth.…
          “The miserable flesh burns with the heat of lust; the cold mind trembles with the rancor of suspicion; and in the heart of the miserable man chaos boils like Tartarus [Hell]…. In fact, after this most poisonous serpent once sinks its fangs into the unhappy soul, sense is snatched away, memory is borne off, the sharpness of the mind is obscured. It becomes unmindful of God and even forgetful of itself. This plague undermines the foundation of faith, weakens the strength of hope, destroys the bond of charity; it takes away justice, subverts fortitude, banishes temperance, blunts the keenness of prudence.
          “And what more should I say since it expels the whole host of the virtues from the chamber of the human heart and introduces every barbarous vice as if the bolts of the doors were pulled out.”

          9. Saint Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274.)
          “Given the sin of impiety through which they [the Romans] sinned against the divine nature [by idolatry], the punishment that led them to sin against their own nature followed… I say, therefore, that since they changed into lies [by idolatry] the truth about God, He brought them to ignominious passions, that is, to sins against nature; not that God led them to evil, but only that he abandoned them to evil… “If all the sins of the flesh are worthy of condemnation because by them man allows himself to be dominated by that which he has of the animal nature, much more deserving of condemnation are the sins against nature by which man degrades his own animal nature… “Man can sin against nature in two ways. First, when he sins against his specific rational nature, acting contrary to reason. In this sense, we can say that every sin is a sin against man’s nature, because it is against man’s right reason…
          “Secondly, man sins against nature when he goes against his generic nature, that is to say, his animal nature. Now, it is evident that, in accord with natural order, the union of the sexes among animals is ordered towards conception. From this it follows that every sexual intercourse that cannot lead to conception is opposed to man’s animal nature.”

          10. Saint Catherine of Siena (1347-1380)a great mystic and Doctor:
          “But they act in a contrary way, for they come full of impurity to this mystery, and not only of that impurity to which, through the fragility of your weak nature, you are all naturally inclined (although reason, when free will permits, can quiet the rebellion of nature), but these wretches not only do not bridle this fragility, but do worse, committing that accursed sin against nature, and as blind and fools, with the light of their intellect darkened, they do not know the stench and misery in which they are. It is not only that this sin stinks before me, who am the Supreme and Eternal Truth, it does indeed displease me so much and I hold it in such abomination that for it alone I buried five cities by a divine judgment, my divine justice being no longer able to endure it. This sin not only displeases me as I have said, but also the devils whom these wretches have made their masters. Not that the evil displeases them because they like anything good, but because their nature was originally angelic, and their angelic nature causes them to loathe the sight of the actual commission of this enormous sin.

          11. Saint Bernardine of Siena (1380-1444)a famous preacher, celebrated for his doctrine and holiness:
          “No sin in the world grips the soul as the accursed sodomy; this sin has always been detested by all those who live according to God.… Deviant passion is close to madness; this vice disturbs the intellect, destroys elevation and generosity of soul, brings the mind down from great thoughts to the lowliest, makes the person slothful, irascible, obstinate and obdurate, servile and soft and incapable of anything; furthermore, agitated by an insatiable craving for pleasure, the person follows not reason but frenzy.… They become blind and, when their thoughts should soar to high and great things, they are broken down and reduced to vile and useless and putrid things, which could never make them happy…. Just as people participate in the glory of God in different degrees, so also in hell some suffer more than others. He who lived with this vice of sodomy suffers more than another, for this is the greatest sin.”

          12. Saint Peter Canisius (1521-1597)Jesuit and Doctor of the Church:
          “As the Sacred Scripture says, the Sodomites were wicked and exceedingly sinful. Saint Peter and Saint Paul condemn this nefarious and depraved sin. In fact, the Scripture denounces this enormous indecency thus: ‘The scandal of Sodomites and Gomorrhans has multiplied and their sins have become grave beyond measure.’ So the angels said to just Lot, who totally abhorred the depravity of the Sodomites: ‘Let us leave this city….’ Holy Scripture does not fail to mention the causes that led the Sodomites, and can also lead others, to this most grievous sin. In fact, in Ezechiel we read: ‘Behold this was the iniquity of Sodom: pride, fullness of bread, and abundance, and the idleness of her, and of her daughters: and they did not put forth their hand to the needy, and the poor. And they were lifted up, and committed abominations before me; and I took them away as thou hast seen’ (Ezech. 16: 49-50). Those unashamed of violating divine and natural law are slaves of this never sufficiently execrated depravity.”

          Note: These quotes are taken from Defending A Higher Law: Why We Must Resist Same-Sex “Marriage” and the Homosexual Movement.

          • Great collection, thank you for your effort and sharing it with us here.
            “…Consider how great is that sin, to have forced hell to appear even before its time!…”
            And now, would someone please who have access to that stupid SM FB post this 12. points to that person SJ JM aka Babadook? Thank you very much in advance! You may save his live. Maybe! You never know! PS. I bet he ‘has never time’ to read, let alone study, any of this 12 teachings of all those greatest theologians, Church fathers and doctors.

  2. Of course bishops should directly condemn Martin. It is a “no brainer”.
    Come on now.

    The real question, that we may not want the answers to is this, ” Why are the bishops and cardinals silent on this?
    And why are they also , silent on Pope Francis’ recent appointment of a pro abort to the Pontifical Academy for Life? Cardinals and bishops, regardless of their present holiness…….need to defend the Church openly, and directly as in cases such as these……to their very last breadth! Otherwise, their lives have been in vain for Christ.

    • Within the last week, the Diocese of Jefferson City (state capital in the middle of the state) gave out a directive that gay parents will be warmly welcomed in all of their schools. They will openly recruit gay and transgender children out of “compassion”. The diocese is part of the Metropolitan of the State of Missouri with St. Louis being the director.——The Archbishop of St. Louis has a track record for recruiting openly gay candidates for the priesthood. The bishop of Jefferson City was the priest-secretary for AB John May who rebelled against the Vatican as head of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. This is all about a gradual movement toward gay marriage.—–Timothy Cardinal Dolan grew up in St. Louis. He was forced to support the inclusion of gays in the St. Patrick’s Day Parade in New York when he was the grand marshal. He was told to keep an open mind by the Vatican on the subject of gay marriage.

    • CS my friend, why are you asking, “Why are the bishops and cardinals silent on this?”

      You know the answer, we all do. They have lost the faith / never had it / are homosexuals / Masons / liberal protestants / cowards.

      Please, let’s stop expecting the Hierarchy to act against the very advanced destruction of the Catholic Church. They are the problem, so how can they be the solution?

      In my opinion, we are far, far beyond any successful intervention at the human level. God will have to step in very directly and obviously to sort this out.

      • I believe you are correct. It is terribly difficult for people to let go of what should be happening (bishops defending the faith) and to embrace the truth that there won’t be help from that direction. It’s akin to current politics, people just can’t wrap their heads around the Deep State and the DC UniParty. It will take God’s direct intervention in order to set things right again. He seems to be moving in the political realm via Trump. Praying He will soon see fit to aid His people in the Church.

      • You see very clearly dear Great Stalin.

        I have begged and prayed, as we all have, for a bishop or a cardinal to have the courage that is greatly required.

        So many priests will fall. so many laity are clamoring around a perverted darkness in the name of love and mercy. It is truly the great diabolical disorientation.
        But remember,, when it seems as though all is lost, when it seems as though the visible Church has forsaken our Lord, when it seems as we have been forsaken, our Lady will no longer hold back her Son to come and intervene. And all will be right with the Lord.

        God bless you. Your posts are always a great blessing to read.

      • I agree TGS. This has gone beyond human solutions. Only God can restore His Church. Right now a lot of chaff is being thrown in the fire. There is a terrible sifting going on. There is a verse in the Battle Hymn of the Republic which seems apt here. “He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat/He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgement seat/Oh be swift my soul to answer Him, be jubilant my feet/ Our God is Marching On….”

          • No conflict of interest. 🙂 It was the hymn sung during the Civil War for the liberation of the slaves. “Sifting out the hearts of men” seemed apt. That’s what appears to be going on. Like the scripture, “What you hear in the dark will be spoken in the light”–all the ugliness appears now, boasting of itself, not hiding any more. Now we see the extent of the structural damage. (like renovating a very old house–you find out the dry rot is extensive and the insect damage is bad–kind of like that) It’s not much fun to see it but at least it’s out in the open. I think the same thing is happening in governments now. The dry rot, the deep state, the cultural toxicity all coming to the fore.

  3. If he is such a danger (which he, this is, the notions in his noggin are) why is he permitted to cross the boundary into Vatican City – and into the company of the papal Circle of Nine?

    [Talking about notions, maybe someone should spy out the well-known occult symbolism of the *Circle of Nine*! If I were Francis’ p/r guy – when he was counting up his council of elders – I would have pleaded, “Please, Holy Father, not *nine*. Make it seven or ten; the number nine will hang a picture you don’t want”.]

  4. This man is leading MANY astray! His condoning of an intrinsic evil is evil itself. And for his efforts, he is rewarded with promotions. This happens a lot under this pontificate. He needs prayers for conversion.

  5. In any other time this “priest” would have been defrocked. Now – in the “Bergoglian Alternative Reality Twilight Zone” he has been appointed, promoted and hailed by the Pope , Prelates and general homosexual clergy. May God and His Blessed Mother protect us all from such malignant evil.

    • I never thought the “Latter Days” would be quite like this. To live this alternate reality, this numbing ever present noise of double speak, of “look over there” while the wolves steal away the jewels of the Church. We are attacked on every front, governmental, political, cultural and now dear God spiritually. The one who is supposed to keep us from the wolves is actively inviting them in. We are in the belly of the beast and and most Catholics don’t even see it or know it because there’s this strange “everyday-ness” around them that even Congressmen being gunned down practicing baseball leaves a very small ping on their radar screen. There’s just been nothing like this, ever.

      • I agree. I didn’t think it would be like this either. The forces of evil are attacking everything at the very foundation. In the past we had the Church to rely on as our fortress…not anymore. I think our best weapons and armor are prayer and penance especially the Rosary.

  6. “Under no circumstances can (homosexual acts) be approved.” #Things that the Catechism of the Catholic Church DOES say. (2357)

    • It is spoken of in the Old and New Testament as one of the things that brings God’s wrath down upon a people. Murdering the Innocent is another one.

      • They both (sodomy and murdering the innocent [think here on abortus]) are the main tools of satan in his fight against God and His people, – against PROCREATION. Which is the main goal of the MARRIAGE.
        So, all people who are working for satan in these two sectors, are his most important servants and are doomed. They must be so possessed that they, if ever try to repent, needs an exorcist.

  7. “Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)


    • I think we need to keep these scriptures handy to throw cold water over each other to wake us up if we start to drowse even a little into that diffident “newchurch” way of thinking and talking. I am so weary so utterly weary of these things. “They” (bad bishops, bad priests, ignorant bishops, ignorant priests, bad laity, ignorant laity) have been marching toward Gomorrah for 40 years dragging the Bride of Christ behind them and now they are even at the gate. I want to stay awake, sword drawn but immense spiritual fatigue comes over me and I just echo the Psalmist, “How long oh Lord…how long,…” It is bracing to read St. Paul’s unabashed truth.

  8. Martin, Tobin, Farrell….on the heels of Cupich’ “adult spirituality” commentary
    – We all know what they share in common; Rome’s most recent endorsements.

    Adultery, gay lifestyle, and conscience over Magisterium; This is Rome’s intended direction for the Church.
    There is no ambiguity. This is perfectly clear.

  9. Let’s pray for Father Martin S.J. as he joins the Secretariat of Communications dicastery in Rome as a consultant .
    Hopefully when he goes to Rome he will stop spewing his heresy. Perhaps the Vatican will silence him as they did with Fr. Nugent of New Ways Ministry.

  10. Truly sickening. This issue is destined to be the next hot button item for the next sinod. After that maybe Priestly Celibacy. There is no ambiguity at all. It’s only confusing if you refuse to see the truth of what is happening and the real agenda. It’s hiding in plain sight.

    • The higher-ups are pushing for Deacons to be allowed to re-marry. I just read this in Nat’l Catholic Reporter.A
      group spoke specifically about transferring some authority over permanent deacons from the Vatican’s Congregation for the Clergy to national bishops’ conferences. The spokesman said authority that could be transferred includes allowing a deacon who has become a widower to remarry.
      Next…. married priests… women deacons….

  11. This won’t happen, no, no, no. He is feeling very confident in his protection from the system. He is a Jesuit as is the pontiff. You have to read “The Jesuits” which told everything that is needed to know and was written by a former Jesuit in Malachi Martin who died in 1999.

  12. The reason Fr. Martin has been able to get this far in promoting the open acceptance of sodomy in the Church is because the Church has stopped using the word “sodomy”, and this, unfortunately, if because of the weak and unconvincing section in the Catechism dealing with homosexualism from a modernist psychological perspective (“its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained”) instead of from a theological and moral perspective (sodomy is a grave sin against God and the impulse itself comes from our fallen human nature and the influence of the devil).

    Sodomy — anti-natural sexual acts — result from perverse appetites, impulses toward sin which have, as their source, like all sin ultimately, the evil one. And if these impulses are entertained even on the level of erotic fantasies, or if one embraced a homosexualized self-image, i.e. I am “a homosexual” by nature, God made me this way, then we are calling God a liar for revealing that humans are made male and female.

    Even the Courage apostolate seems more concerned about stopping people from committing acts of sodomy than it is with a more essential goal: helping those afflicted with homosexual compulsions to repudiate the very idea that they “are homosexuals” per se, as if the impulses truly were an immutable part of their identity, rather than an attack on it. Only this essential enlightenment is the true freedom that can honour God, who makes all things new.

      • So true. I was so traumatized by this, revelation this morning. It was one thing to anticipate a thing. A whole other thing to see it actually come to pass. No interest in God at all. I doubt any belief.

  13. He reveals his mind and the minds of many others inadvertently when he tweets about things Christ didn’t say. That’s what our leadership is down to folks, they retain enough belief or some superstition which restrains them from directly changing Christ’s words in the Bible. Instead, they now base what they say and do on what Christ didn’t say.

  14. Every time he gives an interview for this new book, someone should ask him, “Fr. Martin, do you have sexual relations with other men?” Make him either admit or deny it.

  15. And you shall call His name Jesus for He shall save His people from their sins, (Matt 1:21)

    That is the name people leave everything behind to follow; the name they would die for. Like the blind man we come for healing. Whatever it takes, get me to Jesus so He can cure me of my sins.

    This man pictured above does not offer that name of Jesus to the world. Don’t know him. Don’t want to know him.

    Jesus. Only Jesus.

  16. Smarmy bastard…

    Before someone here blasts me for a lack of charity or criticizing a ‘priest’ and the sacred nature the priesthood blahblahblah

    WAKE UP… these men are devils consumed my unnatural passions.

    Donot financially support these filthy pigs or the pseudo church they represent.

    If a prelate boldly denied the Incarnation or the Resurrection would you still feel compelled to follow him. So to with this issue it is simply and clearly a contradiction of the Christian faith.

    Pray, fast and almsgiving. Daily Rosary is powerful weapon.

    ONLY God’ s grace will sustain each one of us during this apostasy/ chastisement.

  17. Many years ago the Catholic newspaper The Wanderer reported on Father Fitzgerald starting a religious order to deal with troubled priests Servants of the paraclete in New Mexico.

    The article mentioned that Fr Fitzgerald believed pederasts were beyond changing and should be…. yes exiled.

    SSA, pederasty and pedophelia all have one source the Prince of this World
    the Evil One.

    Thers nothin healthy natural or good in this.

  18. In former times, those who would dare to publicly flaunt flaunt their moral degeneracy were referred to, among other things as “brazen”. Now, they are hailed as “brave”. As the Bard wrote in The Tempest; “O brave new world, that has such people in it.” It was an expression of admiration for the nobility of the human spirit. But now, we may exclaim; “O brave new church, that has such as Fr. James Martin as its prophets”. And there is nothing, but NOTHING to admire, but only to embrace feelings of revulsion and disgust.

  19. Fr James Martin appears smug, believing he and the homo-heretics are currently winning under Francis the Destroyer. But fear not. This Papacy will end and the Jesuits are dying (down to 16378 from a high of 36038 in 1965). Is it any wonder they are dying? Heresy leads to apostasy leads to extinction. Pope Francis and Fr James are just hastening the doom. Theirs is already a ‘windswept house.’

    • As someone who has followed and interacted with some self-proclaimed LGBTers and their advocates smug is the correct term to use to express their attitude. Smug and insecure.

      • What’s sad is that even if they force everyone to accept them it will still bring them no peace. That is no doubt the source of their insecurity. Deep down in their souls there is that gnawing gnawing gnawing. I am sure they think if they can conquer the Catholic Church then their mission is complete. So so tragic. They will “conquer” only find they are holding sand wisping away from their hands. ( I will not mention what awaits them if they don’t repent)

  20. Extending Fr. Martin’s ideas a little further we might expect that homosexual relationships will be officially approved among the clergy as they are now tacitly in most dioceses. Will the scandals never cease in the Catholic Church?

    God must be losing his patience with all of this. It is clearly time for a reckoning.

  21. Interesting that fr. Martin gets to the heart of the matter (from the wrong side) when he said “Names are important…. I’m saying people have a right to name themselves.”
    Yet in every culture, one is named primarily by others, from parents to peers on the schoolyard.
    And God claims this prerogative from Genesis (you shall no longer be Abram, but Abraham) to Revelation (to the one who triumphs will be given a new name). The Church Names her children in Baptism, Confirmation, and in orders. A new name is a sign of a new life and identity (papacy, too). The real problem today is not the disordered desires (who is free from those in one form or another?), but in claiming the name and identity based upon them, and contrary to ones true nature and identity.

    • Smacks a bit of “non serviam” and is not far from this insanity of transgenderism where you can determine what you are at any moment and name it for yourself. Yikes.

  22. “Names are important. Thus, church leaders are invited to be attentive to how they name . . . . . and even “homosexual person,” which seems overly clinical to many…I’m saying that people have a right to name themselves. Using those names is part of respect.”

    That is a sophism, and this Jesuit is a deceiver as many other Jesuits today. They enjoy the label of Soldiers of Christ, but some of them shouldn’t benefit from that traditional watchword.

    We say that Cardinals and Bishops should correct the Pope (another Jesuit), but, who is going to correct the Jesuit Order? Shouldn’t be this Priest’s colleagues? I think that the most scandal today come from Jesuits, and because of that the still sound minded Jesuits must do something against this corruption.

  23. “The Parable of the Prodigal Son” opens in London this week with a new interpretation by the famous ska band ‘St. Jesuit and the Apostates’. Here, the main vocalist, Jim ‘Golden Nipples’ Martin, speaks to us about the show.

    “Well, the prodigal son had to leave home, he had no choice, the father is a homophobe and made his life hell. Understanding why he’s come back at all is the key to understanding the parable. In simple terms, he’s angry and he wants revenge. So anyway he comes back, and the father brings out the ice-cream with some cherries on top and those lovely little glittery things you sprinkle on, I love those, don’t you? But then he sees that the son has “Garth” with him, his partner, and completely loses it, I mean he disinherits him and gives everything to the younger son. What we need here is inclusion and walking with the son in dialogue about the situation but no, what we get is alienation and rejection and homophobia. This repression of the son’s lifestyle choice is too much and Garth kills the father and the son throws the ice-cream at the younger son and that’s it really”.

    St Jesuit and the Apostates talked to us courtesy of the Bergoglio, Kasper & the Queers record label, Starbucks and Ben & Jerry’s.

  24. The Bishops of Sicily to their flock:

    “According to the assessment of the confessor and taking into account the good of the penitent, it is possible to absolve and admit [the divorced and civilly remarried] to the Eucharist, even though the confessor knows that it is, for the Church, an objective disorder.” (Rorate-Caeli)

    This is the same formula offered to the sexually suffering by the smiling man pictured above. Not conversion. Acceptance.

    I consider this anti-Christian guidance that accepts grave sin to be a clear and present danger to my soul.

    The name of Jesus “saves people from their sins”, does not leave people in their sins; does not re-define sin. The arc of history points to that one thing: Jesus left his Throne of Glory to rectify the sin of Eve and Adam. Nothing less. Not the perversions offered by the man pictured above. Victory. I want that.

    • I just read that on Rorate Caeli. It is happening a lot faster that I thought it would actually. At this rate we will have to meet in houses and hotel ballrooms to hear a valid Mass any time now.

      • This infernal ethos, represented by smiling Fr. Martin and the hierarchy of Bishops infects Catholic culture right on down to every anonymous confessional in the world; every pre-marriage counseling; every homily. Its pervasiveness and acceptance throughout the hierarchy down to the Parish level is hazardous to our souls.

        On behalf of my own soul and those other souls within my home this is … I don’t know how else to say it … a clear and present danger to our eternal destiny in heaven or hell.

        The World on one side, and the Church in full accord on the same side. Where does that leave me and mine?

        • It helps me to think of the faithful souls in Japan in the past, communist Russia, and China. They held the line regardless of the odds. We can help each other as well. Our Lord will provide. Keep in mind, there are a lot of faithful Priests still out there.

          • I’ll take my chances with the fellow in your moji. I like my odds with him.

            Good points. Well taken.

        • Yes Aqua, except it is NOT the Church–it is a coup by false shepherds of the structure. They may own the buildings but that is all they own. the real Church is out here among us, right here in fact, and in other places. We will find each other and the priests who belong to Christ will find us and we will continue until we are martyred or the Blessed Mother crushes the enemy’s head.

        • But who will lead us there? I really know of no one; literally no one in the Catholic Church to do such a thing.

          The Church appears unified behind Fr. Martin’s book; behind the perverse sexual ethos of anti-Christ.

          • What YOU and you family members really need (and so we all exact the same), is a truthfully faithful Catholic priest. Who is celebrating a valid TLM daily, weakly, or even less often if it’s other way not possible.

          • Please let’s me say this to. On this Q: “But who will led us here?”…
            See, that’s the question which should never be. Because, if and when (and this happens right now) the time comes that Christians feel they must go to be hidden to be able to pray in orthodoxy in Christ and for Christ, then we should never have any ‘lieder’ in this.
            Our Lord Jesus Christ is our only Lieder now, then, and forever. All others are more or less (should be) His loyal servants.
            That’s the reason why I keep saying about all this sad condition of the Church,- here we are not about any schism in the Church, but attack of devil and all his forces, the fiercest battle on the highest level, like never before.
            Therefore, there is no; splitting, but quitting of the Church, there is no schism, but cutting off of the Christ’s mystical Body, His only Church, there are no homo-sexuals, but sodomites and perverts, there are no pro-lifers, but pro-murderers, etc…
            We should probably better try to keep most of all things,- just simple. God’s commandments are also simple too.

          • The Elect will find their own way to the catacomb nearest to them. Christ will show them the way. That’s what I think. Only Christ is the leader now – His vicar on Earth has deserted the ship.

          • I agree. Christ is still and will ever be our Good Shepherd. When the time comes he will provide a way to adore him as he wishes. I must say, that I’m very thankful for sites like OnePeterFive and others, where we can support each other so we can realize we fight together.

          • Sadly, I think the majority of those who now consider themselves Catholic will swallow this, hook, line and sinker.

          • Their Catholic identity is a veneer. it won’t stand. This false Church will attract no one as time goes on. Look at the protestant churches (evangelicals not included) they are just shells, empty husks.

          • No. There will be priests to lead us. The Lord will provide. I believe this, I know this. Appearances are deceiving. There are many good true even holy priests who will quietly lead us when the time comes.

      • Don’t get me wrong, but we live already in those times of the Church in catacombs. Somewhere more obvious than somewhere else. When I have to drive by car and go past the 7 churches to come to a small chapel witch is 20 with 15 meters to be able to hear the valid Mass… we are then already in these times, the times of biggest persecution ever of the Church of Christ and all His faithful ones.

    • More troubling news from Argentina, as reported today by LifeSiteNews.
      it seems a bishop in Santa Fe, Argentina, has given Mass, the Eucharist to a significantly large group of civilly divorced and remarried Catholics. There is a very nice photo of the lot of them on their website.

      The faithful must flock to a holy priest………a holy parish………a holy Mass.
      You are correct Aqua, our souls and those of our loved ones are in a clear and present danger.
      That is why God is calling, trying to lead us to what is what is good, what is true, what is holy.

  25. A wolf in sheep’s clothing… all my faithful friends cringe when we read his posts. People who follow him are lacking discernment b/c there are red flags every time he posts. Contradiction after Contradiction. I appreciate thoughtful post about spelling out his errors. Thank you for clarity.

  26. I feel an uncharitable urge to wipe that sissy smirk off of his face. Perhaps, James is so smug because he knows he has the numbers (half a million zombie FB followers alone), book sales, network TV appearances, appointment by the pope to the Vatican communications department, etc. But he already has his reward. His bridge should be named the “Wide Way Bridge”. Our Lord spoke about it: “Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate and strait is the way that leadeth to life, and few there are that find it.” Matt 7:13-14. Lord have mercy on us and help us to stay on the narrow path.

    • Few find it, indeed.

      I am also reminded of the tares among the wheat, appearing like wheat, yet not wheat; not good to eat.

      Or the trees that do not bear good (I Cor 13) fruit. Good for one thing only: burning up in a fire.

      Or the command to pick up your cross daily and follow Him to crucifixion; dead to the world but truly alive in Holy God.

      Jesus did not come to affirm us in our sin. Jesus came to overthrow Lucifer, Prince of this sinful world, and deliver us from it.

      Our manly Jesus did not sissy smirk. He picked up His Cross and conquered death.

  27. Many Traditionalists are wondering what should be their stance in the situation we are facing now, with the assault on the Church reaching its zenith, and the scale of the attack so vast that many feel they are already in the catacombs.

    “Ivan me je ime” below tells us the way: we must take our lead from Christ. We should do this anyway and at all times, but particularly now that His Vicar on Earth, our Pope, has embarked on his Great Betrayal. We cannot follow him to destruction. We must stay with the Crucified Christ, on the Cross for us still and for all those who follow us even until the end of time. We must stay with Tradition, for Scripture, the Fathers and the Popes command it.

    But we can do so while adopting a healthy tone of human defiance, which need not be uncharitable. I am a great fan of the poems of the First World War. Here is one, by Richard Aldington, which for me anyway could have been written for those who wish to remain Catholics in 2017:

    Why should you try to crush me?
    Am I so Christ-like?

    You beat against me
    Immense waves, filthy with refuse.
    I am the last upright of a smashed breakwater,
    But you shall not crush me
    Though you bury me in foaming slime
    And hiss your hatred about me.

    You break over me, cover me;
    I shudder at the contact;
    Yet I pierce through you
    And stand up; torn, dripping, shaken,
    But whole and fierce.

    • My dear brother Benedict, I wish to say that in another way. More appropriate way is to say, what I actually mean, that we should and must keep following our Lord Jesus Christ no matter what, any time and in any circumstances, and not let us be leaded by anyone who is even suspicious to be heretic, let alone being the one for sure. Same must be apply for the lukewarm ones, which are neither in state to lead the flock. And try to find some good and faithful Catholic priest. Yes a priest. We need a good faithful Catholic priest more than anything and anybody else, here in this life, on Earth. So, I would not say, ‘we must take our lead of Christ’, but rather, let us always be leaded by Christ all time, in everything what we do, say, think,… above all others (leaders in person), and let us be leaded by Mary our Heavenly Mother and Mother of God Himself. Under the protection of Most blessed Virgin Mary’s, under her mantle, we are most safe and certain to be and stay on the right way which leads us to her Son, our Lord Jesus Christ.

  28. Too much print and pixels, as here, have been expended attempting to reason pastorally with a man who is almost certainly a practicing homosexual, who is and always has been surrounded by and collaborating with a homosexual-infected mutual-admiration society (aka the Society of Jesus). Roman Catholic teachings are just so much grist for the mill for Martin et al.; they are like young boys and men, to be abused as and when it pleases them.

    Moral principles precede moral behavior and protect it in a healthy conscience.

    For Martin and the Jesuits, immoral behavior preceded and, hence, corrupted moral principles and did so for at least half a century.

    Do not connive in this farce by taking seriously a syllable that Martin has to say. You are being played for a fool.

  29. As a commenter below put it, (to hi-lite her idea) the title of this man’s little book should be: “Building Wide Way Bridges To Death”.

    All roads but one lead to the Hot Place. Many find them. And there are many “bridges” and comforts along the way to ease our travels on the way to that final destination.

    • The wide bridge fabricated by this priest has identical foundations to the house mentioned in the Sermon on the Mount that came crashing down. But given the fact that huge quantities of that sand have been supplied by thousands of other Churchmen either actively or passively (through their silence) aiding the construction of this monstrous edifice, its downfall will only be brought about by the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    • And the narrow way the lies ahead of us as we fight to stay faithful is going to get narrower and more overgrown and increasingly dangerous. Thank God the Blessed Mother walks before us, Star of the Sea.

    • Steve, you and Mr. Matt from Remnant have a good sense of humor, in spite, of your
      intellects. Such a great combination!!

      I think a good sense of humor should be added to the virtues.

      Chuckling, as I type……….therapeutic, indeed! Thanks for the chuckle.

      • I often think of this quote from Chesterton’s Orthodoxy:

        The last thing that can be said of a lunatic is that his actions are causeless. If any human acts may loosely be called causeless, they are the minor acts of a healthy man; whistling as he walks; slashing the grass with a stick; kicking his heels or rubbing his hands. It is the happy man who does the useless things; the sick man is not strong enough to be idle. It is exactly such careless and causeless actions that the madman could never understand; for the madman (like the determinist) generally sees too much cause in everything. The madman would read a conspiratorial significance into those empty activities. He would think that the lopping of the grass was an attack on private property. He would think that the kicking of the heels was a signal to an accomplice. If the madman could for an instant become careless, he would become sane. Every one who has had the misfortune to talk with people in the heart or on the edge of mental disorder, knows that their most sinister quality is a horrible clarity of detail; a connecting of one thing with another in a map more elaborate than a maze. If you argue with a madman, it is extremely probable that you will get the worst of it; for in many ways his mind moves all the quicker for not being delayed by the things that go with good judgment. He is not hampered by a sense of humour or by charity, or by the dumb certainties of experience. He is the more logical for losing certain sane affections. Indeed, the common phrase for insanity is in this respect a misleading one. The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except his reason.

        • In the scheme of things, the “overall’, one must never forget the reason we were created; to Adore Him. When I become so focused on “my agenda”, and perhaps it is even righteous in the eyes of God, humor brings me back to the beauty of His creation, the simple and most wonderful things He gave me to enjoy, so that I may never forget to give glory to God, and come to understand that I am but a small speck in His Divine Providence.

          God bless you.

      • I know. Wonderful to come upon a moment of humor. The “compassionate (??) nuanced, newchurch denizons” have NO sense of humor. Have you noticed?

  30. Most prelates either agree with Fr. Martin or have run away from their duties to speak out against sin. Which saint said that hell is paved with the skulls of bishops? We will get no relief until God sends astronomical chastisements, like mentioned at Akita – the living will envy the dead. Meditate on that.

  31. People just don’t seem to grasp how cozy the unofficial relationship is between many (most? all?) U.S. bishops and New Ways Ministries—even with bishops that are lauded by traditionalists as orthodox. For one example, Google: Archbishop Cordileone and New Ways Ministries and see what comes up.

    I’m reasonably sure that whatever Fr. Martin has to say will 1) conflict with official Church teaching but will 2) simultaneously be regarded as more or less mainstream “common sense” thought among U.S. Catholics and their bishops—just like stances on Holy Communion for the divorced and civilly remarried: contrary to Church teaching but carried out under the “internal forum” banner for decades.

    Things are happening quite quickly now; it’s even more important to get up to speed on what’s been going on for a very, very long time.

    • Yes. You are right. This has been going on in one form or another for years but always they had to fly under the radar for the most part. Now it appears “The Restrainer” has been removed and we are seeing the results.

      • I think that’s a good way of thinking about things. There’s apparently no perceived need for restraint now; everything’s coming out into the open.

  32. This man is on a straight path to Hell if he doesn’t convert,he is a Homosexual apologists an with Pope Francis are trying to bring this to everyone,the Catholic Church is in death spyrolls in the U.S we have some pretty evil Bishops here who will not teach the truth,but when the truth is spoken the faith explodes,so let’s pray for the truth.

  33. You know what, every time some LGBT advocate, whether ordained or a layman, approaches the LGBT issue in attempt to help the RC understand the LGBT community it tends to come across like they’re presenting a mental illness. I mean “How the Catholic Church and LGBT community can enter a relationship of respect, compassion and sensitivity” sounds like a “how to deal with spouse with X mental disorder” book.

    I just shake my head. What is the confusion about? The Catholic Church has its stance on homosexual acts. There is natural law. There are philosophers who expand on this natural law. It’s not hard to understand, though it’s difficult accept. And that, I think, lies the problem. The LGBT community suffers from one tragic and ever so weak mental psych.

    • The Jesuit cesspool displayed, overflowing, in living color.
      This deluded individual must not have any awareness of his spiritual character if he can display himself in this light. How could he?
      If our fortune continues to spiral into the vortex, next we will be treated to a view of his tattoos.
      Nothing less than tragic, pitiful.

      • Ahhh. I see the difference. Is this a real photo or photo shopped? If it is real then God help us, we are staring into the abyss.

  34. my brother was gay, he died of aids. I saw first hand how is homosexuality affected family and friends. he wouldn’t listen to me when I told him homosexualitys future would lead to death. he wouldn’t listen, 24 years later he’s not here.homosexuality is against God and the catholic church, no matter what the church or anyone says.

  35. I agree that gay Catholics must be loved and treated with respect. But loving someone does not mean you condone immoral behaviour. We don’t condone living in an extramarital relationship for example.

  36. I can’t understand why, when defending the Catholic Churches stance on homosexuality, we only quote the Catechism, or talk about Catholic Church teaching. What about stating what is in the Bible. Gods word, which says that homosexuality/sodomy is an “abomination” which is more harsh than saying it is “intrinsically evil”. Shouldn’t we be using Gods word in our argument and in defense of Catholic teaching?


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