Today, on the Feast of the Epiphany, another courageous bishop joins the ranks of those six other prelates who have already signed the declaration of the three bishops of Kazakhstan professing the immutable truths about sacramental marriage and opposes the altering — or softening — of the Church’s teaching concerning the possible admittance of the “remarried” divorcees to the Sacraments. Bishop emeritus Andreas Laun, formerly the Auxiliary Bishop of Salzburg, Austria, has given his public support for this declaration of loyalty toward Christ’s Teaching on Marriage. Bishop Athanasius Schneider, one of the original signatories, confirmed the addition of Laun’s name in support of the document.
Bishop Laun also signed the Filial Appeal published in 2016, which included the signatures of “thousands of concerned bishops, priests and Catholic faithful declaring their fidelity to the unchangeable teachings of the Church on marriage and Her uninterrupted discipline.”
In December of 2016, Bishop Laun granted Onepeterfive an interview in which he then defended the four dubia cardinals for having written and published their questions concerning Pope Francis’ document on marriage, Amoris Laetitia. Of that effort, Laun said:
I have read the concerns of the Four Cardinals, and I agree with them! Additionally, I know personally especially Cardinals Meisner and Caffarra and know how competent they are! With them, I am in the best company!
[…]
The conduct of the [dubia] cardinals is a service to the teaching of the Church! In history, there are many examples of criticism also of a pope. However, it has to follow the “morality of criticism”: that is, to say it politely, objectively, justly, born in love, and with much understanding for the one who is to be criticized because each criticism also hurts more or less.
The addition of Bishop Laun brings the number of apostolic successors in support of the Declaration of Truth about Marriage to seven — six bishops and one cardinal.
Deo gratias! But note: another retired bishop! Perhaps these men need to be “un-retired”! Increase, Lord, the number of Thy faithful!
Emeritus or not, God be Praised that another of His sons has had the courage to give witness to the Truth of Marriage when it is currently ‘out of season’ to do so…within the Church! Please Lord deliver your people from these evil men who are bent on destroying your Church from within. Amen.
May God Bless Bishop Andreas Laun. Amen.
If the marriage is annulled, does it count as being “re” married?
If a valid Decree of Nullity is given then there was no marriage. Therefore a second wedding ceremony is the only and first marriage.
See my comment above, to post post modern dad.
If you trust marriage tribunals to be accurate, you are part of the problem. Not part of the solution.
So, according to your wisdom, all faithful Catholics seeking an annulment for what may be perfectly valid reasons should opt, instead, to remain in limbo? Is that the essence of your argument, or do I misunderstand you?
I know well and have seen the corruption. It is fact and not addressed.
Do what you want.
Trusting tribunals is like seeking fidelity in a prostitute.
For whatever reason, you sound very embittered, and that is indeed an unhappy state. You obviously have good reason to feel the way you do, and for that, I am very, very sorry. It never was my intention to further disturb you. Please accept my apolology.
I am not disturbed or hurt by you at all. Please, no apology is necessary.
Before God, I am obliged to witness to the truth.
People who trust the Catholic clergy, especially related to marriage and wounded marriages are blind to the intentional deceit that is pervasive.
There are some good clergy, but they are in the distinct minority and even they are unwilling to stand up for people like me and call a spade, a spade.
The best advice that I could give, with a clear conscience, would be to start by joining Bai Macfarlane’s Yahoo Group, to hear from some who have experiences like mine and to visit and to support, as possible, Bai’s work through Marys Advocates.
No, I am not associated with Marys Advocates. But, I know of Bai’s commitment to truth.
Are you saying annulments are all about corrupt $$$
I do not think that money is the driving force. I certainly doubt it and hope not.
There is a fundamental inability for people to adequately address how thoroughly their upbringing, and it is complex, biases them when that upbringing is contrary(and this may not be apparent to the individual) to the authentic ways of Catholicism.
I believe that this is a fundamental part of Jorge Bergoglio’s thoughts.
It is too much to try to get into here fully. example(s) 2:
I have/had friends who were married for over 30 years and have 6 children together over two decades. They divorced(she divorced him) she got an annulment for having a difficult childhood. He felt betrayed and left the Church. She receives communion and is remarried to a man who teaches in a Catholic seminary.
I knew these folks when they were only civilly married and when and after, they were married in the Catholic Church with witnesses who were my two oldest daughter’s Godparents. I knew the faithful priest who knew them well and married them.
They were civilly married in their mid twenties and began their family. They were part of a traditional Catholic Charismatic community, which taught authentic Catholicism.
I KNEW THEM. WE ATTENDED THE SAME TEACHINGS. WE LIVED LIVES FAITHFUL TO THOSE TEACHINGS. I REMEMBER THEIR OLDER KIDS. NEITHER OF THESE PARENTS WERE IMMATURE, IN BEHAVIORS OR THOUGHTS THAT I COULD EVER SENSE. THEY CHOSE TO BE MARRIED, IN THEIR EARLY 30’S, AND FOLLOWED THE RULES, VISIBLY.
About 15 to 20 years later they hit some roughness…BOOM, its done. Annulment time and he cannot stop it.
Why: She had a rough childhood.
I asked him(hubby) if he would request for me to be able to read all the evidence and testimony before the Church. Knowing me and knowing that I am objective and have been through the annulment process TWICE, in successful defense of our valid sacrament(still being violated by my wife, now for 27 years) he said that he would agree, but he knew she would not at it would create a breakdown in everything and it concerned him for their kids. I would not press him or her further.
I asked a Judicial Vicar, whom I trust(GET THAT, WHOM I TRUST) if I could obtain access, by a side door, to review their case info. He said no, you can’t. Not allowed.
I told him I am scandalized and HE KNOWS EXACTLY THAT I AM, BECAUSE I DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE SACRAMENTS AND RARELY ATTEND MASS, BECAUSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THOROUGHLY CORRUPTED AND WILL NOT ALLOW OBJECTIVE EVALUATIONS, BY SOMEONE LIKE ME WHO IS PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF DOING SO:
OBJECTIVELY! I DO THINGS BASED UPON FACTS.
YES, I AM EMOTIONAL. BUT FACTS ARE FACTS. PERIOD.
THE FAVOR OF THE LAW IS SUPPOSED TO BE WITH MARRIAGE.
THAT IS GIVEN ONLY LIP SERVICE.
Currently, another friend, is going through a very similar scenario and Rome has found her marriage null.
Hubby, a very successful man of the world, had asthma and was diagnosed(BASED UPON HIS TESTIMONY ALONE, 35 YEARS AFTER HE SUPPOSEDLY HAD IT) with ADHD. The poor baby was so disabled by these two things that it nullified his consent, in his mid 20’s and already a successful business professional.
Funny thing, their marriage was pretty normal, until they his some rough spots, 6 or 7 years and one child, down the road and he began to DILLY DALLY ON THE SIDE, as best I can comprehend.
He abandoned his family, without notice a few days after their final Chistmas together, already having set up a separate life.
The wife has been allowed to see none of the “EXPERT” EVIDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BULL SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO SEE EVERY NOTE, TEST OR ANYTHING RELATED TO THE EXPERT TESTIMONY THAT IS BEING RELIED UPON TO DECLARE NULLITY WITH MORAL CERTAINTY.
I have advised her to not request to see it, BUT TO FORCEFULLY AND THREATENINGLY, DEMAND TO BE GIVEN EVERY SINGLE THING. AND I ALSO THINK, WHICH I DID NOT TELL HER TO DEMAND, IS TO HAVE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATORS SEARCH, THOROUGHLY, THROUGH EVERY THING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS RELATED TO THIS AND TO QUESTION ALL THE ROTAL PERSONEL AND THE EXPERTS AND THIS SHOULD BE PAID FOR EITHER BY HER HUSBAND OR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE ROMAN ROTA IS DOING.
None of what is proper is going to occur. I told her this is likely to happen. And I told her that she is not being allowed to defend her marriage and that the declaration of nullity, unless she is given all that relevant info, is itself null, BEFORE GOD.
The Catholic Church is making itself superfluous, intentionally.
Jorge Bergoglio, worships and adores Lucifer/Satan and loathes, Jesus Christ and his teachings. He is doing this to implode the Catholic Church and he is doing a Yeoman’s Job.
You bet am angry.
I know from long, hurtful experience that the corruption in the Church can only be rooted out by the laity.
Which is NOT going to be allowed to happen because even the stupid laymen cannot see the obvious!!! So, the Church will be consumed, from the inside as well as the outside, just like a good Communist would have it done.
WELL DONE, JORGE. BRAVO, IN YOUR LINGO!!
I’d love to be a fly on the wall if you ever became a defender of the bond at your local tribunal. I’d bet you’d save a lot of marriages.
I have learned from my experiences and I would share that.
I do not believe that people are sincerely honest when they seek nullity. I believe, in most cases, that an agenda is already set and that agenda is what drives their memories into their testimony.
I know this for a fact in our circumstances.
If you are up for some “fun” look here:
http://www.cormacburke.or.ke/node/432
at the end of paragraph 28. It says this:
“When he finally qualified and they were about to return to New York, the petitioner, whose ideas seem to have gradually undergone a change, suddenly broke the union and left the home, to seek her own professional “self-realization”, at the same time as she entered an illicit relationship with another man.”
The very last part is an admission of my wife’s adultery in the context of it being before our divorce and before the annulment petition was filed, if it is read and understood properly.
My wife withheld her adultery on her petition, which is submitted under oath.
She committed perjury.
Nothing was ever done.
The decision I have referenced here is our 2nd instance court decision in the Roman Rota.
When a spouse commits perjury before the Church AND is the abandoner, while the other spouse wants/wanted to save the marriage. It is very seriously wrong, on the part of the Catholic Church, when an ordinary does not address the perjury, directly, with the perjurer.
But, I have never come upon anyone with a tie to the tribunal with any such interest.
To me, this is scandalous in the highest.
Is this your case?
Yes, I am Max. My wife is Daria.
WOW. From what I’ve read so far, the petition was rejected by the New York tribunal and the Roman Rota but the Davenport tribunal actually granted it. That makes no sense to me. It never should have gone to the Davenport tribunal.
I can see why you’re so angry.
I have asked, since 1989, before our marriage reached its implosion, for the direct intervention of the Ordinary, or a canonist or a good priest.
Nothing has ever been done to raise a finger on behalf of this wounded valid sacrament.
But twice, when my wife filed her petitions, immediately, the Church went into action.
I defended our marriage, successfully, twice. About 20 years apart.
So the link you posted was the ruling in your favor by the Roman Rota?
It was the second instance case. After the court in Iowa ruled in favor of nullity, I asked for the case to be sent to Rome for the next trial. The link that I included is the decision from that case.
Ultimately, there was another decision which was published in about 2001/2002. That case, also, denied nullity. I do not have that case. I did and it was only in Latin. I do not know where that case is any longer. The chief judge in that case, about two years later, became the Dean of The Rota. Antonin Stankewicz is his name. I believe that he is a retired Bishop now.
I know a fellow whose wife left him for another man and has grown children too. He asked two or three priests and all of them said there’s no grounds for a declaration of nullity.
I don’t know if you remember this, but I posted a reply to you on The Christian Review a long time ago and it still comes to mind (I’m going by memory here): Maybe what you’re going through is a share in the agony of Christ the Bridegroom:
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The only other things I can suggest is that you pray and offer up Holy Communion for her. YOU are the one being truly faithful to God and her. (I was really shocked at some of the things that were said about you in that link.)
I do pray for her, but not enough.
Thank you for your kindness.
You’re welcome.
You will see two, very human people described in that decision.
To this day, I do not understand why my wife made the choices that she did. But, I will always love the girl that I asked to marry me. She is a stranger to me, though, now. Beyond my understanding.
Our 38th anniversary is this Friday, January 12, 2018. I wonder if it will even cross my wife’s mind.
My last Uncle, Eddie, died early yesterday morning. We are burying him on Friday. It will be a sad day, all around, for me.
God Bless, Margaret.
God bless you. Sending up prayers for you.
Thank You. They are appreciated and they are needed.
Wow!!
Wow is right!!
If a marriage is truly annulled, and not by a “discernment” of the married person as Amoris Laetitia says, then the original marriage never took place, hence a person with an annulment (actually “declaration of nullity”) is free to marry. So, no, that is not a “re-marriage.”
It’s an important statement regardless of emeritus status. Hopefully it will continue and miraculously other national bishops conferences will come forward. My prayer is for the US Bishops which will take a true miracle. So I’m praying to venerable Pierre Toussaint, a former slave brought to NYC freed and became known for his great charity among the poor and sick. He attended Mass regularly at St Peter’s Barclay St Lower Manhattan the New York pro cathedral where I assisted years back. We cannot break with the Apostolic Tradition on the indissolubility of marriage, among other essential doctrine and,pretend to be true to the revelation of Christ. The only evidence of our faith in Him is that we keep His commandments. Anything other is Antichrist in nature. We must be firmly loyal to the revealed Eternal Word.
A question occurs to me about all seven signers, especially Bishop Laun: Why have they not joined the remaining Dubia cardinals and signed onto that document as well?
If I may borrow from HELLary Clinton; “What difference, at this point, does it make?” It is as plain as night follows day that this would not induce Francis to openly, honestly and objectively address the five points raised with him in the dubia. But now, we hope and pray that this new initiative taken by the bishops of Kazakhstan will develop a momentum of its own, and that as a result, more and more bishops will see which way the wind is blowing. Then, please God, they will be forced to concede that their continuing silence not only harms the Church, but will not benefit them personally. Is it too much to hope for that this will leave Francis and his coterie of sycophantic, self-interested allies becoming increasingly isolated?
Another 1,000 need to get on this ME TOO MOVEMENT
Apparently Mike the Kazakh Bishops represent a Nat Conference and chose to make an independent statement emphasizing that important fact. Furthermore their document is more cohesive and detailed. Perhaps that’s why Bishop Laun chose to align with them.
They’re all right
Yes, it is a bulls eye!
The three Kazakh bishops are not speaking as the national conference. One is retired. There are two other bishops in Kazakhstan, an Italian and a Spaniard. Perhaps it is significant that these three all grew up under the Soviet Union. They have had to fight for their faith and stand against the powers that be.
Thanks Donna.
Father, I wasn’t saying “either…or…” As you point out, the atatenent by these seven IS important. However, one reason the formal correction has yet to be delivered may be the lack of TRUE support. There is strength in numbers. It is one thing to make supportive statements and quite another to put your “money” where your mouth is. If one were to read the entire blog “The Barque of Peter…” on blogspot, one might have a better understanding of what Our Lord laments as well as not only what He expects but DEMANDS. If orthodox members of the hierarchy do not join the Dubia they are no more than whistlers in the wind. Already there has been far more than enough damage to the Church. If the proper steps are not taken soon to either obtain Francis’ repentence and recantation or to depose him, far more harm will be done, his agenda will be completed and his errors entrenched. Wr cannot, we MUST NOT let that happen. To that end I have started a petition on change.org to the Dubia cardinals asking and encouraging them to issue the formal correction. It is called “Cardinal Leo Burke: Please Deliver the Formal Correction to Pope Francis” and will be found at: http://chn.ge/2maFuhdm. I hope and pray as many people as possible will sign it and that everyone who signs will promote it and pass it on.
Mike your analysis of the issue is correct. I fully agree with you that if the bishops and cardinals those who still hold to the faith become signatories of the Dubia the errors could well be reversed even deposition of the Pontiff if necessary. Otherwise the matter will worsen perhaps beyond remedy. If the Church doesn’t act we’re inviting divine chastisement. Thanks for the reference.
Me too was wondering ?
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Where is Numero Uno?
What happened with CDL Maradiaga!
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These handmaids are SILENT NO MORE supporters in Hollywood.
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Good to see some pro-life activity from the good sisters. I’m tired of the ‘nuns on the bus’ group
I never heard of them.
The entire Church would benefit if the full story of the long, long, close, close relationship of Jorge Bergoglio and Gustavo Vera were to become public knowledge.
Instead of being cryptic, why not simply you TELL us the story of these two? I’ve seen you post this comment here several times and it’s just annoying at this point. Just SAY it, man. Or stop alluding to it. Tell us the story of the “close, close relationship” of Jorge and Gustavo. Out with it or stop bringing it up.
Amen to that.
Exactly.
Seconded. No, sorry; thirded. I attempted to get to the bottom of this via Google, and made little or no headway of any real significance. Most of the links I came across were lauding Gustavo Vera. Obviously a leftist hero of some sort.
OK, I found it (I think). Ann Barnhardt had an article last February about the ‘very, very, very, very, close friendship between Bergoglio and Vera. All I had to do was to google ‘Gustavo Vera’ and it popped up for me. I think this is what Arthur is referring to. And yes, he is a leftist who supposedly is an activist for the LGBT community and other juicy tid bits. The problem being, however, is that we don’t know what the source is for this information. But……I found other articles that verified that Bergoglio and Vera were very close personal friends from his days in Argentina. Vera is a legislator from Buenos Aires
Ah yes! Now I do recall the Ann Barnhardt article, but beyond insinuation, there seemed to be little of substance.
Exactly!
Perhaps associated with Dom Heder Camara
It’s my home work
I forgot
I’ve told you everything I know. I am confident that I am correct. Namely, that if the whole truth were known, it would benefit the Church.
Thank you, and the other commenters, for confirming that my comments have been noticed. That’s all I was seeking.
Great. G-bye now.
hopefully its just some fake rumor. Whatever happened to Cdl. Mardiaga.
Is he now on some golf course. Isn’t he officially retired like an old horse?
I don’t consider 75 to be old
Either spit it out or refer us to a link that we can read about it ourselves. I read many ‘things Catholic’ and have never come across any information about this guy. And……how do we know for sure that they have a ‘long, long, close, close’ relationship? Any ‘proof’ of this? Before you go insinuating things, you’d better have all your ducks in a row.
Maybe an asociation with Bld Oscar Romero
I’ll do some home work
You make demands. You threaten: “…you’d better.” As if you were anybody. And as if there were “rules.”
I am hiding nothing. I have said all I know. And my assertion is correct: If someone with the resources to travel, and fluency in Spanish, and the needed investigative skills, will publish the whole story, the Church will benefit.
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Is he one of these clerics?
Do you mean Vera? No, he is not in that picture.
Seven so far. Five more and we have the same number that started the Church in the first place. If they, like their predecessors, are in complete unity with the Will of God and each other please God the Holy Ghost will come down upon them too and give them the strength and courage that was given at Pentecost 2000 years ago. Please try and say one extra decade of the Rosary a day that others will join us until we have enough Rosaries to bring about the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart.
Shepherds: 7
Hirelings: 5,058
All is not lost. Maybe God is recruiting a latter day ‘Gideon’s army’ so that, with only a tiny remnant remaining, all will know that the victory is God’s, and God’s alone. But, woe betide those who are not enlisted. Especially the bishops and priests.
Latter day saints
After the post by Fr. RP, it’s Shepherds: 8 now.
I pray that my own Bishop , Daniel Janke would have the courage and conviction to sign, but alas, the Catholic Church in America is committed to committing suicide
Yes, our bishop (yours AND mine – Jenke) is one of the silent fence sitters whom the Lord deplores.
Thank you, Lord, for these courageous shepherds! Please, will You strengthen more?
So the article says that also the Catholic faithful have signed in support of the Document. So, where do we faithful Catholic’s sign in support of the Document? Please advise……
As I understand the article, the statement of laypeople having signed the document was in reference to the filial correction which became public, as I recall, in the latter part of last year (2017). It is NOT in reference to the document/statement issued by the bishops of Kazakhistan. As for the fillial correction, it may be signed on change.org
The document available for lay people to sign is the Declaration of Fidelity published by Bishop Schneider in September, 2016. You can still sign it at http://filialappeal.org/.
Here is the petition site
https://www.change.org/p/petition-support-by-the-catholic-laity-for-the-filial-correction-of-pope-francis
It is vitally important that many bishops align themselves with the initiative taken by the bishops of Kazakhstan. The now notorious chapter 8 of A.L. is a Trojan horse. Allow it admission within the gates, and a whole host of other evils will burst forth from within it. And that, surely, is its real purpose. The statement by the bishops of Kazakhstan is, when standing alone, a single, though potent warning shot across the bows of the Barque of Peter, and one which her current helmsman would do well to heed. Because the signs are that this single warning shot will soon become a volley, and Bergoglio will not be able to ignore it then. It would be naive to expect a constructive, conciliatory response, but it may be the shortest route possible for the painful, though much needed solution.
“And where are the other nine?”
Say all 15 decades
I do!
You’re very much missed on the Remnant website:
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/3647-it-s-the-end-of-the-word-as-we-know-it
Look at the first post.
You are so kind, Margaret. I’m here but very busy now, with preparing for our SSPX Chapel’s annual Laetare Dinner Theatre which I direct and perform in every year. This is a fundraising event for our Academy where my grandchildren, as like my own children were, are ensconced daily in a Catholic Academic atmosphere. There is so much that is going on in the Church that is so unbelievably ridiculous that I sometimes have to take a break and remember that I must help those, i.e. the Priests, SSPX, in their work to preserve the true Catholic Faith.
Can I re-post your comment on the Remnant website? Y/N
We miss you and your lovely poetry.
Seriously, you should consider publishing your poetry and divide the royalties between you and the charity of your choice (e.g. St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary).
Sure but I really don’t think poetry sells. 😉
I will be very happy when we see anyone from France or the U.K. as a cardinal, bishop or priest having the balls to sign up.
You mean papal bulls?
I think that this https://ronconte.wordpress.com/2018/01/07/communion-discipline-for-the-orthodox-shows-the-wisdom-of-amoris-laetitia/ is a very powerful argument.
Funny/Sadly, you say this.
I was advised by a Greek Orthodox priest to “look for my wife and her lover” to join a Church, from their tradition that was now in union with Rome.
They did just that and their priest supported their adultery for about 18 years until he was transferred. He did so with full knowledge of our valid marriage.
The corruption is everywhere.
I’m sorry for what happened to you, but my point what to show that that article demonstrates that we have a precedent, so if we want to condem Al we should condemn that precedent as well.
Which is one of the reasons I did NOT join the Orthodox many years ago when I was a seeker and trying to discern whether the Catholic Church was the true Church. Also, the Orthodox acceptance of contraception was another indication for me that it was not on the right track.
I think that you misunderstood the article. Read it better, the article didn’t endorse the ortodox pastoral pratice on the divorced and remarried, the article demonstrated something very different: we cannot condemn Al without condemning to decision of Saint John Paul II of admitting unrepentant schismatics to Catholic Sacraments as well.
like who? Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry………Ted Kennedy, Joe Biden
I understand. Pause for reflection.
Have just read Mr. Conte’s article. Where to begin.
Apparently he thinks that Pope Francis is the first genius intellect in history to draw a distinction between objective sin and subjective guilt. And it seems Francis believes it too. Mr. Conte quotes him as saying that “…it can no longer simply be said that all those in any ‘irregular’ situation are living in a state of mortal sin.”
As a matter of fact, it’s just another way of saying what the Baltimore Catechism always taught—that for there to be a case of mortal sin there must be all three conditions: grievous matter, sufficient reflection and full consent of the will. If any one of the three of these is lacking, the sin is not mortal.
As St. John Bosco taught, though, “Where purity is concerned—non datur parvitas materiae—there is no matter that is not considered to be grave.”
The key to Mr. Conte’s position is found in his statement that “Only sin committed with full culpability excludes the sinner from Heaven and deserves eternal punishment.”
What he thoroughly fails to take into account is the fact that exclusion from Communion is far more about preventing scandal precisely by maintaining the realization that marriage laws are a grave matter, than about punishing the one excluded.
Those barely successful in their struggle to keep a marriage together need all the grace they can get. So does the wronged party in a divorce who is fighting to live a chaste life in accordance with the expectations of Our Lord. To allow the divorced and remarried to receive Communion does not maintain that necessary high valuation of Holy Matrimony; rather it cheapens marriage and saps the will of those trying to remain faithful to Christ and to His Church.
The purpose of even excommunication is intended to be medicinal rather than punitive.
If there were some way to maintain the intended high dignity of Catholic marriage and still allow divorced and remarrieds to receive the Eucharist I might be willing to give a more sympathetic hearing. Mr. Conte does not even address the concern.
My bishop has said nothing. Weak. Weak. Weak.
……..just like Weakland
……………………one of Cdl. Dolan’s golfing foursome.
Weakland taught Cdl. Tobin. Now Tobin is a pro at lifting weights, bar BELLS and gay pigrimages or whatever he does for a livimg
and now that Weakland is retired, Tobin is being taught by Father Martin SJ
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The main man pushing Amoris Laetitia
As of Saturday Night Martin has now blamed the Catholic Catechism (CCC) for the suicides among the lgbtq youth. Can he ever give it up?
Oh my nutty professor son?
should he point the blame on himself? When will he grow up…
Question: From what television program was this screengrab of “father” James Martin taken?
I did a cursory Google Image search on it and the results came back as “father” James Martin introducing the metal rock band Metallica.
In my opinion, it is a rather disturbing image and is not befitting of a Roman Catholic priest to be flashing the devil’s horns / metal hand gesture.
Very sad. (O___o)
he’s trying to appeal to the hipsters of Colbert & Sat. Nite Live?
I’m just happy he’s not promoted on EWTN……………………………..not yet?
EWTN fired poor Msgr. Eugene Clark ( Rector of St. Patrick Cathedral ) for allegations of an affair. I’d be surprised if EWTN gave FR Martin SJ air time.
Clark was a good friend of mine. The way he was smeared by tabloids was unforgivable . But he forgave them. He remained a loyal son of the church and just stepped down in Aug.2005. Poor fellow was on the front page of many a paper worldwide. He was innocent of charges of having inappropriate relations with his secretary.
He never left the priesthood
If he were alive today , I know he’d disapprove vehemently of Amoris
LAETITIA
Apparently to the “Stephen Colbert” television show audience (and liberal hipsters everywhere).
Episode aired on:
September 24th, 2013 (episode # 9153)
I am waiting for the snake to rattle vociferously, now that a few have spoken in great love for Christ and His Church.
Regarding the deafening silence of our cardinals, I pray they do not fall prey to this ” THUG’S threats, blackmail or whatever
he may say. For, NOTHING will stop the Holy Ghost from protecting His Church from these monsters…….if only they respond.
As of 2009 there were approximately 5,100 bishops total in the Latin and Eastern churches of the Catholic Church (Wikipedia). Why are they not speaking out? As defenders of the faith, should they not have an obligation to defend official Catholic teaching, especially within their own arch/diocese?
1) “As defenders of the faith, should they not have an obligation to defend official Catholic teaching, especially within their own arch/dioceses?”
2) “And those that are Cardinals, should they not be the first to publicly defend the truth?”
3) “Is there something wrong with this picture?
To your Three Dubia, my responses:
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
And you answered them in less than a year too! ???? (I’m teasing you.)
You made me smile.
I’m glad I could make you smile. After everything you’ve been through, it seems that you needed it.
I laugh often. I have a good sense of humor.
Praise be Jesus Christ! Emeritus of Corpus Christi Tx, Bishop RENE HENRY GRACIDA has endorsed the “Profession of the Immutable Truths About Sacramental Marriage”
“I HAVE BEEN ASKED WHETHER OR NOT I FULLY SUPPORT THE STATEMENT ISSUED ON DECEMBER 31, 2017 AS A PROFESSION OF BELIEF IN THE IMMUTABLE TRUTHS ABOUT SACRAMENTAL MARRIAGE. LET THERE BE NO DOUBT, I DO SUPPORT AND ENDORSE IT. +RENE HENRY GRACIDA” https://abyssum.org/2018/01/08/i-have-been-asked-whether-or-not-i-fully-support-the-statement-issued-on-december-30-2017-as-a-profession-of-belief-in-the-immutable-truths-about-sacramental-marriage-let-there-be-no-doubt-i-do-su/
During the Rescue Movement, Bishop Gracida was the only bishop to teach the cops in his diocese that removing people who were preventing abortions was a mortal sin. (As St. Thomas teaches, one of the ways of making oneself an accomplice to a crime is to remove an obstacle knows is preventing crime.) All other bishops remained silient about the duty of cops to refuse to obey their orders. Some bishops, like John May of St. Louis, condemned the Rescuers and urged the police to assist the abortionists in the killing.
Wonderful! Now we need more bishops & cardinals to sign!