Sidebar
Browse Our Articles & Podcasts

Did the Pope Intervene to Give CDF Apartment to “Gay Orgy” Monsignor?

Image: the Palazzo del Sant’Uffizio as it appears on Google Street View. This is the building where the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith are housed.

Last week, we received a text sent to us from reliable Italian sources. It offers new details on a recent scandal which has made international headlines. In June, the story broke of a Vatican police raid which interrupted a drug-fueled homosexual orgy in an apartment within Vatican City. The setting for this sordid tale was not just any Vatican apartment, but one located in the same building in which the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has its offices. As Vatican journalist Edward Pentin noted in his 8 July report, “many would find such behavior taking place in the Holy Office not only unconscionable but also highly sacrilegious.”

The occupant of the apartment was Monsignor Luigi Capozzi, the secretary of Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, president of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts. It has been reported that Coccopalmerio had advocated for Capozzi to be made a bishop.

As for the apartment that served as the scene of the crime, Pentin describes it as follows:

The [Il Fatto Quotidiano] report further claims that the area of the building was reserved not just for monsignors but senior curial officials, suggesting that the secretary had influential friends in high places to secure such a prestigious apartment.

Pentin also quotes a member of the Roman Curia who further commented on this recent incident:

In the meantime, a reliable senior member of the curia has told the Register that he has heard from “multiple sources” that the story is true, including from another senior curial figure.

He said the extent of homosexual practice in the Vatican has “never been worse,” despite efforts begun by Benedict XVI to root out sexual deviancy from the curia after the Vatileaks scandal of 2012.

After receiving the report below, which contains new information about the Capozzi case, we reached out last week to both Greg Burke, Director of the Holy See Press office, and Don Slawek, the secretary of Cardinal Müller, requesting verification of the facts as reported. As of this writing, neither party has responded to our inquiries. It is perhaps noteworthy that in Pentin’s own 8 July report on this story, he offered a curious description of the silence with which he was greeted when speaking to Mr. Burke on this matter:

Holy See spokesman Greg Burke made it clear he would not confirm the orgy allegations, and did not comment when asked if he could not confirm all, or just parts, of the account reported in Il Fatto Quotidiano. Asked later if the Vatican would comment when the story had received global attention, Burke continued to remain silent.

It seems that the details of this story are something that the Vatican would prefer neither to confirm nor deny.

Let us now consider these additional facts, as they come to us from Italy. We may thereby consider how the pope deals with at least some of his cardinals. The following text is presented as we received it from our sources. It has been translated into English and edited for clarity:


Curial Cancer

While Cardinal Joachim Meisner – the old friend of John Paul II and Benedict XVI – until his sudden death was still waiting, though in vain, for an answer from their successor [Francis] to his request to be received personally in a clarifying audience with the pope, Pope Francis, instead, chose something else. He called personally over the telephone once more, some two weeks (or so) ago, Eugenio Scalfari, and he asked him about his well-being, adding some solicitous counsel for that elderly editor of La Repubblica. That is to say, that “two liters of water and well-salted food” would do him good in this summer heat of Rome. Then he invited him again to visit for a conversation on that same day, at 4 p.m., in the guest house Santa Marta, which is to the left side of, and directly behind, St. Peter’s Dome.

It was the fourth [sic] lengthy interview given by the pope from Buenos Aires to this 93-year-old atheist and prominent Italian Freemason, with Scalfari himself – again once more – not making use of his own recorder, but, rather, presenting the interview afterwards only “from memory.” Old School, that is.

At the end, Francis touched the old man to tears when he accompanied him to the car, opened for him his door, helped him to seat himself, and then stood and waved after him until the car had left his sight.

Their conversation itself, however, was less exciting, if we are to rely on the notes of Scalfari. The discussion proceeded from the G-20 Summit, to the Italian journalist’s own Jesuit education, over to [the somewhat anti-Jesuit] Blaise Pascal whose Beatification and Canonization would especially delight Scalfari.

Some of the greater controversial topics were for some reason left out, and also such papal provocations such the ones stemming from his 2014 Christmas address to the Curia where he attested in the presence of his closest collaborators to their having “spiritual Alzheimer’s”; and also denounced the cliques he then detected within the Curia as a “cancer.”

As much as it was disconcerting, this papal Christmas address at the time pleased many, especially those from outside of the Catholic Church; but it also slightly distorted the view that, behind this overpowering pope, there are now forming – as naturally as the swirl and wake behind a wide ship –  distinct cliques with their own special, even disparate, properties. Wherever there is real power (not just formal power), there also accumulate the sycophants: the bootlickers, brownnosers, and wannabe minions – everywhere and by themselves, at all times. No wonder that it is not now different with a man like Francis who has made such extensive use of the personal power of the popes as none of his predecessors has done for a long time.

There is talk in Rome, now burning with the heat of summer these days, about one such a case: a case which is also especially delicate:

Because in that very same apartment in the venerable Palazzo del Sant’Ufficio [a part of the former Holy Office] – where gendarmes of the Vatican, some weeks ago, and in the middle of the night, raided a homoerotic orgy and thereby also confiscated large amounts of cocaine – life could have been much more leisurely and more pious, if things had just continued to take their even half-way normal and reasonable ways in the Vatican. But such “normalcy” is not any more so.

That is to say, this chosen and now-besmirched apartment had stood empty for quite some time, and it had first seemed to be an ideal place for one of Cardinal Gerhard Müller’s own special assistants, who was, at that time, looking for an apartment for himself, and, if possible, also near the working place of his own chief. The apartment thus seemed to be ideal for him. The matter seemed already nearly perfectly settled, when then, suddenly, Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio – with his own close connections to Pope Francis – claimed an urgent need for it, instead, as a useful dwelling for his own dicastery secretary – and in exactly that very same, then empty, apartment.

A personal intervention by Pope Francis himself finally decided that matter, and very quickly, so that this beautiful dwelling then did not go to the assistant of Cardinal Müller, but fell, rather, into the hands of that curial secretary who afterwards turned it, together with his own friends – and, as it seems, also with the addition of some “rented boys” – into a nest for homosexual escapades and drug experiments.

As the French say, and often ironically so: “Tant pis!” [“So much for that!”]

___________________________________________________________________________

CODA:

We are left to wonder how Cardinal Müller — who has objected so strongly to the Church’s own failure to follow Catholic Social Teaching when dealing with employees of the CDF — responded to this papal initiative and “style“.

203 thoughts on “Did the Pope Intervene to Give CDF Apartment to “Gay Orgy” Monsignor?”

  1. There is no better explanation for Pope Francis than that he is himself a homosexual. If you look at him as a homosexual, he is no longer a mystery and everything he does makes sense.

    I think his constantly talking about soccer and sports is probably a technique he developed to make people think he is just one of the guys and to avoid suspicions of homosexuality.

    Reply
          • The thing is that if he is driven by strong negative emotions (anger, hatred, disgust, revange, etc.), he could also himself be a victim of child sexual or psychological abuse.

          • Not emotion, the truth calls this pastor to speak as he does.
            Homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord.

          • According to the Catholic teaching, there is always some kind of spiritual, emotional or psychological problem (wound) behind that.

          • One can understand it, and where it comes from, but for those who do not find their homosexuality problem disturbing, and relish in it, and promote it…….it is an abomination to the Lord. The act of homosexuality is pure rebellion against our Lord, and His Laws, no matter what the spiritual, emotional or wound behind it.

          • Apparently he wanted to be a butcher when he was young. Maybe we’d all be better off if he’d become one since hacking up dead carcasses daily is an effective way of venting!

          • LOL !!! effective way of venting! Perhaps we’ll ship him some pork butt and chicken gizzards, try to distract him from carving up our perennial doctrines…..

          • Kora, I’m so glad I read your comment just now. That surely is true. I am ashamed of myself because I’m one whose often reminded others we can judge actions but not hearts. Thank you for this post. And thank God for the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

        • Francis has made a commitment to “mainstream” homosexual relationships. That is the “drive behind “Amoris Laetitia”. I go to New York every year for the St. Patrick’s Day Parade. In 2015, Timothy Cardinal Dolan was the grand marshal. There was a controversy over the inclusion of gay marchers.—I went to the dinner which honored the good Cardinal from St. Louis. The scuttlebutt (Navy term of hanging around the water cooler) was that Dolan had been told by Francis to work on a compromise to include the gay group. This was done. The follow up was that Francis told him to “keep an open mind on gay marriage”.—-This is what Francis is all about. His agenda is a one world socialist government and a one world religion. One of the key stones to finish the arch is the acceptance of gay marriage. Fornication and sodomy are addendums.

          Reply
        • It was St. Francis of Assisi who talked of a future pope who would be the (great destroyer). He died in 1226 as we all must one day. Even Francis with his one lung must answer to a higher authority than Teilhard de Chardin.

          Reply
    • And don’t forget the sicko words he used, on more than one occasion, for the homoerotic acts of fascination with and eating human feces, etc. Now that’s as sick as it gets. And who’d ever heard of it??? He’s picked up that knowledge somewhere!

      Reply
      • How many straight guys you know hang out exclusively with homosexuals? How come all his buddies are gay? Come on now.

        Reply
      • Yes, I saw footage of him leering at a woman after kissing her foot. He also seemed to like our First Lady.

        Reply
        • Who wouldn’t? 😉

          But seriously maybe he bats for both teams? Idk…I’ve never thought of him as gay.

          Reply
          • I recently saw a picture of Bergoglio walking hand in hand with a gay friend. That was creepy.

          • That is creepy but believe it or not straight men do that. For example, Sir Patrick Stewart, who is 100% straight, has been seen holding hands with his 110% gay friend Sir Ian McKellan. It’s very, very pro-gay straight men who are comfortable with doing it though. And Latin Americans as well as Italians are a lot of physically platonically affectionate

          • In my experience, after living in Mexico City for a number of years, Latin men, although affectionate, are more into the macho culture. Virility and manliness are valued. No man, especially of Bergoglio’s generation would hold hands with another man while walking on the street. Except for a father and son relationship, where the father or father figure requires assistance to walk.

          • My brother just returned from his second tour as a civilian contractor in Afghanistan. Every Thursday is “man-boy Thursday”. This is the preparation for the Friday holy day. Women are locked up in a religious observance. The males turn to teen age boys and this is tolerated.–It must be remembered that the work week in Afghanistan and most Islamic countries is Saturday afternoon through Thursday. Saturday and Sunday are essentially work days. American employees cannot drink liquor and are at the mercy of Afghanistan society in regard to the work week.

      • As someone who worked in a prison for three years and who served four years in the Navy on board a ship, you have to get over a stereotype. The majority of gays are not effeminate. The story of Francis Cardinal Spellman and Fulton J. Sheen should open some eyes. Spellman went after altar boys. He lived in the same rectory at St. Patrick’s with Fulton J. Sheen. He was evidently attracted to Sheen and was rejected. — He tried to confiscate Sheen’s media money and was rebuffed by the Vatican. He then had enough clout to end the media career of Sheen and send him off to Rochester. The entire issue has to do with “incomplete sexual development”. Read Randy Engel. She has it right.

        Reply
  2. I’ve been in the flats at the top floor of that building. They’re not that great. Very much victims of the 1970s.

    Reply
      • What happened to that thick dossier that 3 cardinals presented to BXVI shortly before his resignation re homosexual clergy? It seems that when PF was elected, the dossier “got invisible legs and walked” (as my late father used to say when things disappeared).

        Reply
        • Oh that? Man, that was like a tiny little group of guys who kind of talked with a lisp and were obsessed with clothes. Like four guys, tops. Pope Benedict made a couple of calls not long before he abdicated and straightened it all out. They were like “Oh no, we are totally straight we just happen to be really into fashion is all.” It was all just a big mistake, see?

          Reply
          • Yes, very sarcastic. Pope Emeritus Benedict represented the homosexual lobby in the Vatican as being a small group easily dispersed, yet now we know it’s worse than ever. I doubt that dossier will ever see the light of day.

    • I’m sure the big boys at the ecclesiastical orgy never noticed the squalor. They were too busy with…well….other matters at the time.

      Reply
        • Reportedly there were some. In my diocese (US), we had to deal with this back in the early 2000s, so I’m “battle tested.” I mean by that I’m not shocked any longer the way I was when I first learned of it. There was even an example where one of the Roman-collared perverts had a car accident on the way back from a romp and killed an adolescent boy. Yes, it WAS that bad! This perversion is nothing short of demonic. Mercy does not prevent me from saying I want to see all these bastards (battle-learned terminology) behind bars for a very long time, perhaps — pace the notions of Jorge Bergoglio — for life.

          Reply
          • What diocese? I’m so tired of cover-ups in the name of false “charity.” We need to know exactly where and what is happening.

          • Mine wasn’t an attempt to cover up since my diocese is infamous thanks to what happened; crimes committed here are fully on public record, as I will show you below. We now have new leadership, a bishop who, I’m happy to say, seems determined to restore what his predecessor all but destroyed. It’s important to note that what I’m talking about here is history, not present reality.

            In the late 1990s, Cardinal Law maneuvered one of his lieutenants, John McCormack, into the chancery of the Diocese of Manchester, NH. It wasn’t long before scandal after scandal became fodder for the state’s secular press. A lot of the lawlessness occurred before McCormack’s arrival, but he continued the “tradition” and made every effort to cover up ongoing sodomic activity; for years, a lavender mafia ran roughshod over my diocese. It wasn’t long before the State of NH threatened the diocese with indictment. The bishop and his cronies decided to cut a deal with the AG’s office instead of facing the possibility of jail. They turned over all the chancery’s files relating to perverts in ministry and Church actions taken or not taken concerning them, files that go back many decades. The case I speak of above is in those annals.

            As if to underline how bad things had become here, just recently the former chancellor of the diocese under McCormack, Edward Arsenault, was defrocked by Pope Francis; the case made international headlines. He served several years in prison for stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars to lavish on his guy pal. Those of us who fought this mess had many run-ins with Eddy during the years he ran interference for the bishop. I found him to be tough and mean, everything a priest should never be. (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/defrocked-new-hampshire-priest-arrested-for-embezzling-funds)

            You can find all the files here: http://app.bishop-accountability.org/member/psearch.jsp?diocese=MANCHESTERNH&lastName=&msearch1=View&op=doSearch&section=a-z&sortBy=&state=

          • Wow, thanks! I did hear of that. I’m in the Archdiocese of Denver. We didn’t have a lot of overt sex abuse scandals here, thankfully, but there are other issues and lack of transparency. For example, a popular priest of a large parish was removed suddenly for “health reasons.” Came out a couple years later it was actually because he had run up millions in debt doing a remodel – and money donated for the purpose had mysteriously vanished. The congregation was NOT told that reason, while staff was cut to the bone and the congregation was expected to cough up more tithes to help get the parish out of debt. Infuriated people when they found out. And they don’t think the full truth was ever told, they may never know the real story on that priest. But he’s back in ministry in another parish, after having been removed for awhile.

          • Theo, I know this will sound bizarre to you, but things got so bad here at one time that we Catholics were pleased to learn that a wayward priest had only STOLEN money, but that he had not then spent it on a boyfriend! I know personally of two cases in the Diocese of Manchester where the purloined dollars were lavished on a sodomite companion (not my guess; both priests were prosecuted for the theft and the sodomy angle came out in court). And I could relate to you even more shockingly scandalous behavior than this — all proven — but I will not because it makes me depressed to rehash this kind of degradation inside the Church. Nothing going on now at the Vatican could possibly be worse. I think the sodomites have mostly been defeated here in NH, and so I suppose we can accomplish the same in Rome. But don’t think it will be easy. If my diocese is any indication, it will take determined Catholic opposition to the perverts ALONG WITH the cooperation of civil authorities. The sodomites are tenacious and have little to lose.

          • My father just died as a former POW at the age of 95. He was mentally (PTSD) disabled but sold insurance for a living to raise five mouths. I studied with a religious order in the Midwest. He put in a bid for insurance for the religious order. It was rejected even though it was a good bid.—It came out many years later that the religious brother who handled the negotiations gave the business to a sodomite companion. There was also a great deal of embezzlement involved. The male went to prison and Brother Lawrence Jordan cried his way out of prison time saying that he was misled and manipulated.—–My father was an honorable man and life is full of evil. This was an example of evil and the beginning of the gay infiltration of religious orders. My father left this life with his honor intact and may God have mercy on his soul.

          • We have to be honest and open about this continuing problem in the Church; it is only by throwing light on it that we will finally drive the sodomites from power. Catholics who wish to hide it thinking they thus protect the Church are, in reality, merely turning a disastrous situation into one that is catastrophic. Unfortunately, as was the case with your father, the sodomic forces are able to finesse things for years, even decades. That is the way it was in my diocese as well. It finally took threats from civil authorities and criticism by secular media to expose the ecclesiastical rot. “Pious” Catholics scandalized back then by criticism of the then bishop and his henchmen have been noticeably quiet since the truth finally came out.

          • You have to understand the background of what happened in Boston and was disclosed by the Boston Globe in regard to Fathers Geoghan and Shanley. Cardinal Humberto Medeiros (Portuguese with a large population in Boston) sent Geoghan and Shanley into the gay community as chaplains. This backfired when the Boston Globe did their investigation.—Medeiros died and Law was sent in as a “fire fighter”. The current psychological belief was that this was a controlled phenomenon. The priest could be forgiven and then go on with his life. Sadly, it was realized in scientific circles that pedophilia was a disease and an addiction very similar to that of opioids. —- Law was well intended and did the will of the Vatican. He failed miserably but he made a great effort. He was not an immoral man. he was a victim of scientific knowledge of the time.—As an addendum, I believe that it was Geoghan who was murdered in prison. His court case was not complete. The State of Massachusetts does not find final guilt until the last appeal is filed and decided. This action saved the Church millions of dollars in probable legal suits. Technically, he was never found guilty.— A modern example is that of Aaron Hernandez of the New England Patriots. He committed suicide in prison. He was never found guilty. His family is now entitled to money from the New England Patriots.

  3. This makes me want to vomit. There are, in fact, only two redeeming aspects of it all: One, it helps lessen somewhat my disdain for the papacies of men like Alexander VI and Sergius III; their pontificates are beginning to look rather pedestrian by comparison with today’s mess. And, two, the thought that there might be a chance Francis could do something right and favor the beatification and eventual canonization of Blaise Pascal. Concerning this, Scalfari may be an old Communist and a reprobate but, as the saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Reply
  4. When I read, in the first paragraph “…“many would find such behavior taking place in the Holy Office not only unconscionable but also highly sacrilegious” I couldn’t help thinking “Tut tut.”

    Then I got down to the bottom and saw “Tant pis!”

    Just don’t take any wooden scandals.

    Reply
    • This is not equivalent to false accusations against faithful priests based on manufactured details. The police who entered the premises to make a narcotics arrest, saw what they saw and found what they found.

      Reply
      • I believe it 100%. Trust me, just because elsewhere I caution against false allegations doesn’t mean I have any doubt that there are despicable crimes being committed.

        In this instance I was deriding the disconnect between the magnitude of the crimes and the polite shock expressed by the words “highly sacrilegious”—as though Miss Manners just noticed a napkin out of place.

        Reply
        • No, they were toning down their description. They’re the police, not the scandal press. The details have been reported elsewhere, on LifeSite for one.

          Reply
        • In my diocese, one good priest, a pastor, was falsely accused and only exonerated 10 years later. And three years after that, he passed away. Despicable! Corrupt hierarchy likely view false accusations as an effective way to distraction to hide their own betrayals, even as the Church continues to suffer. My own diocese has gone from 400 to 130 parishes, according to CM.
          This may interest you, and be sure to check out the home page too.
          http://www.themediareport.com/books/

          Reply
          • Checked out the link you provided. Very timely material. I only wish I had the time to do the reading. At least one of the titles interests me. Thank you.

  5. Phone video, these days, is conspicuous for being everywhere. Who had what during that Vatican City orgy? Taking what of whom? It goes with the carelessness and preening showmanship of such behavior to make record of its fleeting, indulgent activity. The recording, self-deceivingly, secures the boasting that wickedness can be ever in reach.

    This story did take time to slither out. Enough for any video record to be bribed or threatened in?

    Take note, “rent boys” are often double agents!

    Reply
    • The police didn’t know about that; they were actually doing a narcotics investigation. They entered the premises to make an arrest and found all that and more.

      Reply
      • Point being. The party-goers had phone camera. It is in the nature of such activity to record – for various reasons. Above all, to twist, to turn, to make others bend. For the jollies of it. To call in what’s owed.

        “Call boys” never go with out theirs. And, as I said earlier, cal boys are often double agents.

        Where’s (are) the video(s)? What uses are they ow being put to?

        If the police (that is, the City’s own) had them, most likely they have been (how should we put it) turned over. To whom?

        That this story took time to be released tells us that the ‘fixers’ have already been busy.

        Were the call boys paid off? By whom? From which Vatican City (or personal) funds? They DO have stories to tell. Ones that an be monetized.

        How many million soul have now heard of this sodomite orgy in the Vatican? 500 yards, we are told, from Pope Francis himself. How many of those millions have said to themselves, “Well, there goes the Catholic Church. Nothing special there”.

        Reply
  6. More “reliable” sources? I’m sorry, but after the false Cardinal Muller piece, I am hesitant with unknown “reliable” sources. Not that this isn’t plausible, but.. I have the be hesitant.

    Reply
  7. Little bit off topic, but Archbishop Georg Gänswein went out publicly with relative quickness to deny that the words of PBXVI were directed towards Pope Francis. Sureeeee, we believe you..

    But if we read between the lines, another strange coincidence. Abuse that counted for 500 cases of physical violence and 67 of sexual violence, committed by a total of 49 perpetrators in the choir once run by Georg Ratzinger comes in the matter of days after Cologne message.

    IMHO, this is your classic watch-yourself-Papa-Ratzinger or we are coming out after you with something heavier if you dare to slip one letter to public like you just did in Cologne.

    Same thing with this orgy scandal. On the same day it was published on traditional blogs, the public only by “pure coincidence” went on with what is most likely bogus charges against cardinal Pell.

    Or am I just seeing something where there is nothing?

    Reply
  8. All this supports my recent assertion that Bergoglio and his circle (and many others in the Hierarchy) are out-and-out demonic fiends, atheists and homosexuals; and – as Adepts of the gnostic Anti-Church – they take part regularly in Satanic ceremonies.

    It does not surprise me in the least that Bergoglio appears to be actively facilitating this behaviour. In Argentina his closest circle were alleged to be morally very questionable; the same then for Rome.

    * He promotes Daneels, he of the predatory homosexual protection service and the presider (sic) of the infamous “Belgian catechism” which included cartoon drawings of how to molest your own children, even making him his personal representative to a Synod Against the Family;
    * he protects and promotes Ricca, the known pervert Nuncio who was caught in a lift of his Nunciature with a rent-boy and a suitcase full of “adult toys”;
    * he restores to active ministry a laicised priest who then rapes a child in the Confessional;
    * he welcomes to the Vatican trannies and other psychological perverts who define themselves in terms of their particular debauchery;
    * obvious homosexuals such as James Martin SJ and their supporters feel entirely free to spread their foulness far and wide, knowing they will not in any way be impeded;
    * he explicitly praises abortionists and radical population control devils, even appointing them to Vatican posts.

    When are you people going to get it? Rome has fallen. No, not the Catholic Faith, nor the Church, which exists still on earth in those who hold to the full, integral, pre-Conciliar religion and of course in Purgatory and in Heaven; but the visible structure of the Church has fallen. This is the Whore of Babylon, drunk on her debaucheries.

    “That great Babylon is fallen, is fallen; which made all nations to drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”
    The Apocalypse 14:8

    Reply
    • I don’t know how realistic it would be to ask people to show up in Vatican Square at 10 am one day in September, with protest signs in hand. I imagine there would be warnings to the powers that be. Perhaps there could be an email blitz. I don’t quite know how to pull something off to say: ‘enough of this garbage!’ Any bright ideas? The posters plastered about the Vatican last year were certainly effective. Perhaps something along the lines of the perverts taking over the offices of the Vatican would cause enough of a stir. Maybe even posters plastered around archdiocese offices in individual areas. I would do it and contribute to the cost of printing posters. It may need to be related to the perverts wrecking havoc in Rome.
      Perhaps I’m just grasping, but there has got to be something. I will work at this in any way I can, but it isn’t very helpful if I do something in my own archdiocese, without similar activity around the world.

      Reply
        • I have coordinated protests of this variety ( rather successfully) in my own archdiocese, so I would be a capable assistant as a ‘worker bee’. I am happy to contribute effort and dollars. Shall we think up a plan?

          Reply
          • Perhaps we could hear from a few others who would be willing to help. If not, there is nothing to stop us getting a serious protest off the ground. How hard was it to coordinate the posters that had the Pope so upset when they were scattered about Vatican City a few months back? Still, I would like to see our fellows put their money where their mouths are and make a bit of noise in favor of the rights of our Creator.

          • May I just ask for I didn’t understand you discussion very well: are you talking about doing something in your own dioceses or in Rome?

            Otherwise, I believe there are more and more people who are frustrated with current situation and would support the initiative of protesting in Rome.

          • True on Guam. The current situation is intolerable. Reform is one thing. Socialism is one result which is open to argument. Wholesale corruption is just not acceptable. Here in the Midwest of the U.S., the local seminary is developing a homosexual theology with the obvious approval of the local bishop who was brought in to replace Raymond now Cardinal Burke as archbishop.

          • Pope Francis is very sensitive about his public image and hates any populist opposition. He has a weakness for things that detract from his limelight. I am all for showing up and protesting in Vatican Square. I would do anything in my power to be there that day. Only please let it be during the Pope’s Angelus. We have to be visible to him, and LARGE. With signs. I know my circle of friends have thought about it but we don’t have ant way to organize it. We call it a theoretical “pilgrimage of protest” against debasement of the true Faith and against Amoris Laetitia, and against the Adultery Synod.

          • I really like this idea. With a little planning, it could happen with a moderate crowd, perhaps.

          • Yes MaryKJ !!!! I have long thought it is time for the lay people to rise up. We criticize the cardinals but we are also soldiers of Christ and should be doing something big to show our rejection of this pope. Yours is a great idea to show up in St Peters Sq. Not sure I could be there but would definitely send some financial support. And alert freinds in Italy who I know would show up.

          • You haven’t figured it out yet have you? Even Archbishop Chaput has a new book out which criticizes “clericalism”. This is code for the destruction of the priesthood. That has always been the goal of Communism. The laity will merge with the priesthood and then destroy it.—–Jesus the Christ was a rabbi. He came not to destroy the Old Law but to fulfill it. Part of that Old Law is the Ten Commandments. Obviously, Francis does not believe in the Commandments. He is creating a new socialist religion. He has even had the gall to preach that Jesus spoke and preached only within his then known milieu.—-Scripture is not a directive but a history of the time of Jesus. This is exactly what happened when Moses came down from the Mount. The people had forced Aaron to build a golden calf to Ba’al who was one of Egypt’s main gods who stretched back to Babylon.—- Francis is creating a new religion which builds on the prophet Jesus. This would insinuate that Jesus was not God and that Francis is the most advanced prophet. The Mehdi is the final prophet in Islam. Francis is attempting to show that he is that final prophet.

        • Funny you should say this about 1P5’s financial needs. I was also going to mention something to this effect.

          Reply
        • I’ve long wondered why there aren’t public protests by faithful Catholics in St. Peter’s Square.

          I don’t have money, but I do have technical skills that might be useful.

          Reply
      • World wide internet driven, social media driven, well advertised, simultaneous public action. Must be suitable for all ages of Catholics, have a historical traditional basis( sackcloth and ashes?), be supported by sacrifice of prayer and fasting, and be very cleverly constructed to be a protest against something the ordinary catholic can understand. I’m remembering the Irish in candlelit rosary procession in support of Bobby Sands as he was dying. I’m seeing the women in white in Cuba.

        Reply
      • I’ve decided that if I ever get the chance to return to Rome, I’m gonna show up to papal audiences and Angeli with signs that say “Answer the Dubia,” “No, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes” “Matthew 5:37” and “Psalm 109:8”

        But hopefully by the time I get back to Rome we’ll have a new Pope

        Reply
        • Do you think it is possible that, even only for a short time, the papacy of the Pope Benedict XVI could be somehow restored?

          Reply
          • Interesting question. I think it should be clear that this “pontificate”, I mean the obscene reign of that horrible NKVD ice-cream seller and his bunch of perverted crooks, is something so apocalyptic that nothing will be as it was before it. Anything is possible, but it will be a very very very big anything.

          • I can’t explain exactly why, but I just refuse to think about present situation as being an apocaliptic event, though most of people see it that way. All the time I hope that it is just a crisis. I don’t know how the Vatican actually functions, but its escalation seems to happened within past four years when the modernists overtook the positions of power in the Church. Now, I don’t know exact number of “powerful modersnists”, but if we suppose that there are cca 200 bishops and cardinals who are working against the Catholicism from within the Vatican, they are facing more then 1.1 billion of Catholics worldwide and almost 2000 years of the Catholic Church history. How can it be that a bunch of criminals can destroy all that? Are we so weak though bigger in number? How can it be that there is no way to stop them and regain control over the Church? I know they went very far with their “reform” so I understand that maybe we won’t be able to correct everything immediately and perhaps some damage will be irreparable, but most of things should be fixable within a decade or so.

          • According to the Prophecies which so far have been spot on – this IS indeed APOCALYPTIC. It would seem that Francis is the False Prophet who is the forerunner of the anti-Christ. The problem with 1.1 Blillion “Catholics is that 60 % are lukewarm and don’t live a Catholic life. Of the rest 30% are slavishly following the false prophet to HELL – He who has denigrated each member of the Blessed Trinity and Our Blessed Lady; has stated that there is NO Hell; that anyone who follows the 10 Commandments is a “rigid coward!”; that the feeding of the 5,000 was just a magic trick – they were all fed because Jesus inspired the ones who’d brought food to SHARE it! [ Even though Holy Scripture explains that they followed Jesus and didn’t realize they’d go so far and they hadn’t BROUGHT any food with them! ]; he has approved giving public grave sinners Holy Communion; the Mass is changing so that the Consecration will virtually disappear in order for the new, improved but FALSE catholic Church to join with the Anglicans and Lutherans [ aka one world religion!]………….THAT leaves the Remnant of 10% true Catholics who will be “Hunted like doves” and have to worship underground like the early Christians and the Russians when Communists took over.

          • Looks like you have been able to “read the tea leaves”. Certain segments of the Lutherans are very conservative as in Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. Their liturgy and priests are very close to conservative Catholics. They are deeply based on Scripture.—Actually, I could see them as well as various Catholic conservatives “hunted like doves”. Liberal bishops in the Catholic Church have obvious connections to the radical left of the Democratic Party and its agenda of abortion and gay marriage. The link is the hatred of capitalism and the lust for the destruction of the Republican Party.—-It is now apparent that this liberal crowd of bishops is very clever and manipulative in hiding behind separation of church and state. Gays and abortionists have taken over. This is the devil not
            “walking at Midnight” but at “high noon”. Malachi Martin wrote of “infiltration by the devil”. It is now fact and not fiction or in his case “faction”.

          • We know the church cant be destroyed but as with a drunk, the fall must be hard enough that he wakes up and tries to change his ways. One priest I know said the church is like a possessed person. A good soul exists under the surface but Satan controls what we see from the outside.

          • ” … within past four years when the modernists overtook the positions of power in the Church.”

            They “overtook the positions of power in the Church” during the time of Pius XI and XII.

          • I don’t think so. Either he is still the legitimate pope, in which we have a whole bucket of issues with which to deal, or he is not, and Francis is, which makes cleaning up the mess he’s made all the more difficult. I suppose if Francis were revealed to have fraudulently gained the papacy we could just pick back up with Benedict XVI as a pontiff but there is a part of me that doesn’t want that.

            There will be those who will hold Francis to be the legitimate pontiff even if he is declared to not be. And there will still be confusion. The College of Cardinals decided to effectively force all three papal claimants to resign in order to end the Western Schism, rather than try to sort out who was the valid Pope. So, I think it’s better if Benedict XVI is out of the equation. It saddens me to say so, but this situation will not be resolved until Benedict XVI has gone to his eternal reward.

          • Since to me it seems that something strange happened around this swich of the popes in 2013, it is my greatest wish that Our Lord gives right to the Pope Benedict XVI while he is still with us. That is why I truly hope that his papacy will somehow be restored even for a short time, so he can put the Church “in balance”.

      • 1511, Friar Martin makes a pilgrimage to Rome . . . and, has his faith severely shaken. His decision was to nail a poster to the door of a church in Wittenberg.

        Reply
        • Kora, Pope Benedict is 90 years old! This is not likely to happen.
          Sonny’s Mom, I should have said that concerted prayer efforts are a given. We’re not chatting about your average bad neighbor.

          Reply
    • I pray you know your sources well. There are few things more despicable than the intentional destruction of innocence—especially in a child. But right up there equal with it is falsely accusing someone of doing so.

      One hears so much that is so staggeringly unbelievable you feel it’s a sacrilege to believe it of one’s fellow man. InfoWars host, Alex Jones has been on top of it for some time. He has a good reputation for documenting his information; but his persona as an overly animated over-the-top crackpot makes it difficult to know how far to trust what he says.

      According to him, Donald Trump has, for years, despised pedophiles and even used to speak of having them executed. Since he took office he has given his justice the green light to go after them and, so far, there have been nearly 10,000 arrests in this country. Ten thousand! Maybe it’s all futile; but one of the person’s Jones is in contact with is Craig “Sawman” Sawyer who, along with other retired Navy Seals, are ready to go just about anywhere to rescue children kidnapped by these monsters.

      If you want more information, immediately—InfoWars is all over the map on the topics they cover—there is a YouTube video, “Special Report With Alex Jones, 4-01-2017.’ But be very forewarned: the details are unspeakably depraved. Rape and kidnapping seem only the tip of the Hellish iceberg.

      You may be right; Rome may have irretrievably fallen. And yet, for all their goofiness, men like Donald Trump and Alex Jones, warriors like Craig Sawyer and Kris “Tanto” Paronto are starting to make some inroads in draining the bog. And along with our own prayers and whatever other help we might offer—maybe the situation is not entirely irretrievable.

      And again, you may be 100% right in the accusations you make. But I’m not informed enough to point fingers at individuals. Some two-and-a-half years ago I read about the fall of the Belgian Church on a site I know nothing about—The Brussel’s Journal. I had no idea how reputable it is. Yours is the first independent confirmation of the Belgian catechism. “Roeach.”

      Reply
      • “But right up there equal with it is falsely accusing someone of doing so.”

        I am quickly coming to the opinion that you have your head in the sand or up your own rear end. The dots are so big that if you cannot join them up, there is a major problem with your cognitive functions.

        Please excuse my question, but are you a Novus Ordo Catholic by any chance?

        Reply
        • Exactly why are you angry? I’m describing my own reticence to accuse anyone falsely. I personally knew a priest who was falsely accused. One strike and your out. He was sent out of state where he died of a broken heart inside of a year—after which his accuser confessed to the lie. That lie destroyed a man’s life just as surely as he would have destroyed hers had he actually been guilty.

          Being relatively new to the information now I’m hearing—the dots, as you refer to them—I want to be sure. Those who, for example, on this page are willing to speculate that Francis is probably gay, etc. are being precipitous. If you think you can go to court with what you know, do it.

          Reply
          • “Being relatively new to the information now I’m hearing …”

            All is understood.

            Where to start? Have you read Archbishop Lefebvre’s “Letter to Confused Catholics”?

          • If you want examples of people who are falsely accused try :-
            [1] The day after Pope Benedict chastised the Vatican for “tyranny” and of “capsizing the boat” – Bingo! Pope Benedict’s brother is accused of pedophilia! Even though he admitted slapping the odd disruptive choirboys [ which at that time all teachers everywhere; those ” in loco parentis” everywhere; and all parents everywhere were allowed to do! ] and even though he did not abuse children or cover up for perpetrators this old news was thrust into the public eye!!!!!
            [2] The good Cardinal Pell announced that he was about to start his thorough examination of the Vatican Bank Account and – BINGO! He too found himself accused of historic , vague accusations of sexual abuse of minors! Now he is safely out of the way in Australia awaiting trial for the said crimes against children! And the scrutiny of the Vatican Bank is once more UNCHECKED! Rumor has it that there will be no case to answer or Cardinal Pell will be exonerated BUT his reputation and good name will be gone forever.
            These Vatican horrors know exactly which buttons to press in order to silence critics and dissenters! Maybe from first hand knowledge!

    • The old Jerusalem was spoken of as Sodom and Babylon; a harlot. The Church is (the new) Israel, and Israel is the Church; the heavenly Jerusalem. It isn’t too far of a stretch to see the typology at work here.

      Reply
    • The Catholic Church that once was the bulwark against abortion and homosexuality has been infiltrated and defiled in the worst possible way by the worst possible sin – homosexual perversion by priests !
      But, may be there is a silver lining – that all the filth that is being exposed like a cancer will be removed once and for all and God will cleanse and purify his holy Church.
      Isn’t that what P. Benedict said ?

      Reply
    • The writings of Malachi Martin prophesied this entire scenario in his book on “The Jesuits”. He died in 1999 in New York under mysterious circumstances and was a former Jesuit.

      Reply
  9. All this conversation about the “homosexual eruption” resurfacing at the Vatican makes something tragically happening at the holy Shrine of Our Lady in Fatima, Portugal make more sense. The large outdoor altar in the piazza where the “Mass” is offered has above it what looks like a flying male figure, whose “body parts” are very explicit and can’t be missed! I was there recently with some young people and we had to warn them not to look at this “figure” above the altar because it is so pornographic and once seen, the image stays with you. We had local Portuguese in Fatima tell us they believe the figure, placed where there should be a crucifix, is to celebrate “homosexual activity” and to force its acceptance on the local people. Many of the local Portuguese are convinced that the fires that burned so close to Fatima the night of June 17 were a warning from the Lord of more suffering to come because of things like this obscene “flying figure,” which is supposed to represent the Lord, now going on at Fatima. Pray your Rosaries, daily!

    Reply
    • I went to Fatima several times decades ago, but I don’t remember anything like what you describe here. Who put the thing there?

      Reply
      • While the outdoor altar has been there for quite a number of years, this blasphemous “flying figure” above the altar was put there as part of the re-do for the centennial celebrations this spring, 2017! It is a total mockery of both Our Lady and the reverence for the Blessed Sacrament, which the Angel taught the children to observe. You asked who put “it” there. A member of our group asked a priest on the staff of the Shrine why this was allowed to go on and why the clergy put up with this! He said all goes on there with full knowledge of the Shrine rector and the bishop in charge of Fatima. How any truly holy priest or bishop could offer the true Mass under this blasphemous image is beyond me! Surely this is all part of the “diabolical disorientation” Sr. Lucia said Our Lady warned about – in the undisclosed part of the 3rd Secret of Fatima. Pope Benedict XVI knows the full content of the 3rd Secret. He has a moral obligation to the faithful and the Lord and Our Blessed Lady to disclose it. Doing so is necessary — so that many eyes will be opened and a true conversion can begin. Right now, the scandal to especially the young, due to all this perversion at the Vatican and even blasphemy at Fatima, is the “millstone” around the neck of those who refuse to reveal what is in the 3rd Secret. Pray the Rosary that the full contents of the 3rd Secret be revealed!

        Reply
  10. OK, after four years, there is an unmistakable pattern starting to emerge. Everywhere Francis pops up, there are sodomites coming out of the woodwork. What gives?

    Firstly there’s Monsignor Battista Ricca, the director of the Pope’s digs at Casa Santa Marta. The guy has served more sausage than a pancake house and has been implicated in all sorts of homosexual scandals. How convenient to have a flaming sodomite in the house. Now there’s Orgy Boy and his CDF bath house antics. Then there’s his gay-friendly handler, Cardinal Cocco the clown. Then there’s Francis’ pal Archbishop Forte who wrote that garbage in the interim relatio of the 2014 Extraordinary Synod about “valuing the good in homosexual relationships”.

    Then there’s Cardinal Marx and his repeated statements saying that homosexual “marriage” is no big deal. Then there’s that weirdo from Argentina, Archbishop “Tucho” Fernandez (who’s apparently Francis’ ghostwriter) and his “Heal Me with Your Mouth” trash. And we can’t forget the recent promotion to the Vatican of American Jesuit sissy boy, Fr. James Martin.

    It’s all homo, all the time. Folks, normal, healthy heterosexual males do not surround themselves with flamers and sodomites. They just don’t. It’s one thing to leave the sodomites to do their own thing but it’s quite another to have them crawling out of woodwork.

    I can’t see any other explanation; the Pope is a pooftah.

    There, I said it!

    Reply
    • Whether he is a pooftah or not, I do not know.
      But I know he is making an ass out of the papacy, and destroying what little credibility is left in our Church.
      He also is greatly harming the priesthood.

      He is a terrible, terrible, terrible pope .

      Reply
        • There “is” something about him TGS, that truly frightens me, and I do not mean to sound like a hysterical type of woman. But, there just is.
          If he were to visit across the street from our home, I would truly feel compelled to flee.
          And I felt this way several years ago.

          Reply
          • You and I both. And I’m a rough, tough, former loose-head prop with many visible scars to prove it. I wouldn’t wish Bergoglio and his crowd on my worst enemy.

            Bergoglio and his crowd ARE my worst enemy.

          • We are indeed in a war. It is exactly as St. Paul said. Primarily we need the Sacraments, prayer, the Rosary, fasting and penance to win this one.

            Are we game for it? See below – from little acorns. I am all for the list above as the foundation for direct action. The latter will take some cash, probably quite a bit.

          • Funny you should feel the same way as I do about him. I have said this for a long time now. If he would show up anywhere in my vicinity, I would flee to the nearest Catholic Church that I knew would be open, take my holy water and of course Rosary and pray, along with the St. Michael Chaplet. There is something very evil going on there, absolutely no doubt about that!!!

        • Well, I’ll tell you this much for sure, he is being heavily influenced by Satan if nothing else! Fr. Z is correct, the entire Vatican with all the Curial Offices need a complete exorcism. I believe Fr. Amorth, the famous exorcist in Rome said something along these lines before he passed away as well. He KNEW of the Satanic stronghold in the Vatican. And although I don’t agree with absolutely everything Ann Barnhardt says, she was correct I believe that it would be a real danger to souls to even go near the Vatican at this point in time. The place is INFESTED with the demonic.

          Reply
          • I am a big fan of Malachi Martin. He was a Jesuit and he was there. He said the same in his writings. Pedophilia is a disease which is wrought by gay individuals. It is an addiction similar to heroin addiction. Those caught in its clutches rationalize that its use is entirely plausible. It is similar to a husband who is caught in the throes of pornography which is just one more addiction.

    • You forgot Timothy Radcliffe, the very English former Master of the Dominicans whom Francis appointed to the Justice and Peace commission. Timothy is a great advocate of sodomy, comparing it to the self-giving of Christ. Sadly, he was recently treated for mouth cancer. There’s three main causes of mouth cancer and I’m guessing that smoking and alcohol were not the factors in creating his malignancy.
      And there’s Archbishop Paglia who commissioned the erotic mural for his beautiful cathedral in Terni, before Francis beckoned him to Vatican positions. The kind-heated describe the mural as homoerotic, the less kind describe it as paedoerotic. Paglia is one of the figures in the mural.

      Reply
      • Yes indeed. Thanks for that. Radcliffe slipped under my radar but how could I forget Paglia? That mural……………*shaking head*…..

        Reply
      • Here in the Midwest, Archbishop John May was a rebel against John Paul II as president of the U.S. Catholic Bishops’ Conference. I was told on reliable authority that he was gay. He died of a brain tumor. One of the causes of death for a brain tumor is AIDS. It weakens immunity and the brain is vulnerable. —- Sadly, these individuals cannot help themselves. They unwittingly become part of the culture. It is not and is never a sin to be gay. It is the actions which are sinful. — The Rev. Mychal Judge, OFM, was a hero of the greatest dimension at 9-11. He was the chaplain for the NYPD and was the first casualty at the World Trade Center. He is known to have been gay. Now, tell that to the widows and orphans of 9-11. He fought his demons and is now a saint.

        Reply
        • The condition of Homosexuality is not good or benign as Ratzinger himself said.

          Infact, to cultivate that identify and celebrate it is a sin.

          The distinction between the desire and the acts has become more than an academic exercise at this point and the condition is not viewed as it should be.

          Reply
          • I agree but the Church appears to have accepted the notion that gays are conditioned by society and therefore not responsible for their actions. There was a postcard vote in ’83 by the APA which decided that homosexuality was no longer an aberration but an accepted lifestyle.

          • Once upon a time, I took an introductory “abnormal psychology” class. The professor talked about it in class. He was a scientist and believed that any changes should have been done through research. His name was Schwartz and he died of cancer soon after. May God bless his soul.

          • It was his opinion that reputable members of the APA ignored the postcard response.–As an addendum, there is another Schwartz who is evidently his son. He ran a treatment program for addiction in St. Louis. A number of women got together and filed suit against him for “implanting false memories”. These women, at least three, were diagnosed as having suppressed memories of satanic cult worship in which babies were sacrificed. Obviously, this could have been a major breakthrough in the area in regard to links between devil worship and drug addiction.—The lawsuit was filed as sensationalist as it was. There was a response of no comment on the part of the treatment center and then everything went dead. There was evidently a quiet settlement with the parties signing into a non disclosure agreement and life goes on without any further information.

          • Correct, a majority ignored the mailing. As to the “3 sisters”, too many people keep finding ways to misuse the legal system.

    • Here in the Midwest, the local seminary is developing a “homosexual theology” for what is a sin and what is not. That is why Raymond Cardinal Burke was “run out of town” and his replacement has been openly recruiting gay priests. Wake up people!

      Reply
        • They do not think so under the auspices of the archbishop himself. You can “google” Gary Meier in an article in the Post-Dispatch. He was recruited knowingly as a gay candidate. Beware, the article now on the internet from the Post-Dispatch has been “sanitized” to take the onus away from the archbishop. I have the original article as does the blog posting on “SaintLouisCatholic”. That is just how “clever” this agenda thinks that it is.

          Reply
        • That would be Kenrick-Glennon in Shrewsbury, a suburb of St. Louis. The current rector was appointed in 2015 by Archbishop Robert Carlson. That would be Rev. James Mason. He replaced the Rev. John Horn, SJ, who was appointed by Carlson in 2011. The previous rector was Msgr. Ted L. Wojcicki who is now the pastor of Immaculate Conception in Dardenne Prairie.—-The first reference is Stltoday of May 25, 2013 entitled: Gay Priest: In coming out as gay, Catholic priest sparks debate about church stance. The second reference is from the Catholic blogspot “St. Louis Catholic for May 25, 2013 entitled “SSA Sodomy Seeks Attention”. There are plenty of follow up articles profiled on the Rev. Gary Meier. The most vivid charge is that he was interviewed by a panel of seven for Kenrick as a late vocation. He was asked by at least four, he alleges, who asked him if he could remain celibate. The answer was “I think so”.—-The Archdiocese itself had been founded through the Louisiana Purchase by the Vincentian Bishop DuBourg. The Vincentians controlled the education of priests till 1995 when then Archbishop Justin Rigali removed their control. The Archdiocese took over the training then of their own priests.—As someone who studied with the Vincentians, you can see an evolution away from Vatican control. Liberalization crept in and is now blossoming. It is known that the driving force behind the liberalization is the “homosexual agenda” within the priesthood in this archdiocese.

          Reply
          • Rev. John Horn was there before Mason? Another big Institute for Priestly Formation guy. Bad stuff. I hadn’t heard of a gay connection, but IPF is increasingly unpopular among seminarians, and I’m told is doing damage in a lot of seminaries. Pop psychology garbage dressed up in traditional prayer language – but traditional it is not. I teach spiritual theology and did a couple years of classes of IPF stuff, and all I can say is, stay away from it. Read St. John of the Cross and all the great Catholic spiritual classics, you’re much better off. So sad to see this sweeping our seminaries, our bishops need to wake up. Too many unwittingly promoting yet another “fad” based on empty, destructive promises. Makes me wonder if IPF leaders are gay, too.

          • I don’t know if AB Carlson evolved from Horn to Mason or if he rejected Horn and went with Mason. My cousin was a late vocation for another diocese and studied at Kenrick-Glennon. I asked him about Wojcicki and he really liked him. He is a rabid and unabashed Pole who was the pastor at St. Stanislaus Polish Church before the rebellion when they brought in a gay pastor and left the archdiocese. I heard him preach at the funeral for the long time fire chief and was really impressed. He is now a pastor way out in the boondocks where he can do no harm to the liberal movement.

          • So, IPF is an organized movement? The archbishop made a big point of a national search for an individual to run his seminary. Instead, he just went to a “rent a cop” agency—–A traditional cover with a soft center is very demoralizing and exceptionally clever. Isn’t that what Joe Stalin did with the Russian Orthodox Church?. The Catholic schools have now been taken over by this same malaise in this archdiocese. The kiddies are now “agents of change” with regional schools replacing the parish model.—This was predicted in the writings of Malachi Martin. Catholic schools are provincial and parochial and based on a capitalist model. They exclude those who are non Catholic. Like, duh!—John of the Cross is out. One of the parishes that I attend has a Dominican who is an associate pastor. He is being brain washed into accepting a socialist model. He never preaches. He is just being reprogrammed.

          • Yes, it is highly organized and spreading in seminaries fast. Check out their website, it’s beautiful and very traditional looking: http://priestlyformation.org/

            But already bearing bad fruit. Thing is, if you know the spiritual tradition, you know really fast this is NOT the tradition, and in many respects violates the tradition. Placing emphasis on feelings, trying to be in a constant state of “consolation” (when you’re not supposed to get attached to those at all), and, at least in the case of the priest who trained me, using it as a springboard for directly seeking visions and locutions, which is forbidden in the Catholic tradition. God can give them, but we should never seek, desire or get attached to them, because they can open the door to all kinds of illusion and deception.

            But sadly IPF has a whole slew of bishops on their advisory board, including some really good ones, and they are actively bringing it into seminaries and have summer classes at their center seminarians get sent to from all over. Very disappointing. And their approach is being incorporated into other materials, the popular “Oremus” course includes the “ARRR” (acknowledge, relate, receive, respond) that is so troublesome, archdiocesan catechetical materials (in my diocese, REQUIRED of DREs to use with children and youth), etc.

            After decades of all kinds of other flaky spiritual stuff sweeping the Church, and Catholics continuing to leave the Church in droves, you’d think they’d learn their lesson and go back to consulting their own tradition. But they seem hooked on “innovation,” and not for the better.

          • Thanks. I always remember stories on St. John Vianney. He was analyzed as too stupid to be a priest. Nevertheless, he could “read hearts” like Padre Pio.—-Can there be any doubt that the priesthood is being phased out as out of touch? When you see children referred to as “agents of change” and being taken away from their parents, you would have to presume that the devil is involved. In the final days, there will be a one world socialist government with a one world religion. We are there.

        • I’m talking about Kenrick-Glennon, I surely am. I was a witness at the farewell Mass for the good cardinal. A group of radical women were in a corner of the church celebrating their good fortune as Burke came in with his entourage. They were shaking hands and hugging. I was watching from an alcove. This group included the p.r. person from the archdiocese, a woman police major who acted as a deacon, and another high ranking woman church official from the archdiocese. This told me that Burke was under police surveillance.—-I was then privy to a supernatural event. This supported the fact that Burke was driven out of town by enemies of the church. I actually met Burke after Mass at the back of the Cathedral at one time. I cannot tell you what I think about him personally because I don’t know. I do know that he has been chosen by God to speak the truth and to be guided by Scripture which the liberals are refusing to do.

          Reply
          • Thank you for telling me. I’m really unhappy to hear it, because a good friend of mine was ordained out of there just a few years ago. I don’t think he’d fall for that stuff, but still.

            Have you heard of the Institute for Priestly Formation? The new rector at KG is formed in it. I’m familiar with it, got trained in their method to find out what it is, teach traditional spiritual theology so know the real tradition, and can tell you it is throwing our tradition to the wind while calling it “traditional.” It’s not. I believe it is spreading a heretical form of prayer that substitutes your own emotions for the voice of the Lord in prayer.

            And I’m told by distressed seminarians that it’s blowing up seminaries across the nation, wherever an IPF rector is installed – and they’re in a lot of places, thanks to wide US bishops support. Even some good conservative ones, which tells me how ignorant of our real tradition they really are.

            Thankfully some of the seminaries are seeing the damage and changing course, and there are good seminarians who want the real stuff, not the pop psychology garbage being passed off as “prayer” and doing so much damage. Unfortunately there are also a lot of naive seminarians who do not have the background to know the difference, so just go along with whatever they’re fed. Sad and frustrating.

  11. “We are left to wonder how Cardinal Müller — who has objected so strongly to the Church’s own failure to follow Catholic Social Teaching when dealing with employees of the CDF — responded to this papal initiative and ‘style.'”

    How did Card. Müller respond? The story I have heard from two sources – but it’s still hearsay – is that it was Card. Müller who called the Vatican police.

    Reply
    • That was related on “Eponymous Flower”. The incident itself also happened in June some two months before he was given his “pink slip”. So, he did have a bit of a backbone.

      Reply
  12. Good work Maike. Your breaking news is having a positive effect of causing the rats to flee, hide, go silent and attack you. The Truth and the Vatican can’t stand one another.

    Reply
  13. Until now we have remained in silence, for we judged that our collaboration with the Sacred Hierarchy ‒ in the attempt to offer them fruits of true conversion ‒ would always find their support, and contribute in some way toward a change of scenario. But now that we are attacked, our silence before so many scandals would be criminal, for it would bring innumerous disoriented souls to lose the Faith.
    https://residuumrevertetur.com/2017/07/09/manifesto-denunciation/

    Reply
    • Brazilian wing of the TFP? I am close to several TFP members, out of curiosity, what is the contention between the Heralds and the American TFP?

      Reply
      • The Heralds disagree with the American TFP, because this organization did not follow Monsignor João Scognamiglio Clá Dias, Dr. Plinio’s perfect disciple. Both entities have had legal disputes in the United States, in relation to the use of religious habit created by Monsignor João.

        Reply
        • I have heard about the religious habit issue. Also, I was told, very vaguely, that the Heralds don’t engage the culture in counter-revolutionary activities as the TFP body does. I’ve no idea this way or that; that’s just what I’ve been told.

          Reply
          • That assessment is quite inaccurate. In any case, this manifesto has been written by the most pro-TFP think-tank of the Heralds, in view of the situation created with the imminent apostolic visit against the entity.

        • Yes, normally. There are instances where information is given regardless of asking, and there are instances where the Bishop gives the ‘ok’, such as in the case of Anneliese Michel.

          Reply
          • I have no earthly idea why a bishop would give the ok for that. Are you referring to the alleged questioning of the demons possessing Anneliese in regards to all sorts of things, including the Novus Ordo? Because from the moment I read those supposed revelations, I believed them to be fake.

  14. Re the direct action proposal mentioned below. I will be deleting my email address at 17:00 London time. If you are a regular poster here and want to be involved in direct action against the heretics destroying the Catholic Church – and I mean those based in Rome – I ask you to write to me by that deadline.

    Reply
  15. We are beyond the beyond. My Mormon friends, who for all their theology is odd, hold sexual purity and traditional gender understanding, as well as traditional marriage, as sacrosanct, are actually apoplectic about all this. HOW CAN HE BE POPE!? is their continual cry. They are actually far more upset by this story than many of my moderate/liberal Catholic friends who blanch at the facts, but soft-soap them or change the subject, because they cannot bring themselves to name wrong as wrong. If they say these Vatican doings are wrong they then have to drop their “tolerance” in day to day life on this issue and that is a bridge too far. Cognitive dissonance on steroids.

    Reply
    • It’s the same with me and my Evangeilcal friends. I have been working patiently with them for years getting them to be more open to the True Church, and then the devil Bergoglio goes and undoes most of it.

      Reply
      • Agreed. Scandalizing to the Nth degree, and how many souls are lost because they simply cannot see past this stuff to the Faith itself? I try the “Church as Bride of Christ pure and pristine, but some of Her ministers are fallible and the Pope is only infallible……..etc., etc.” but the MEGO factor took over quickly (My Eyes Glaze Over) and ultimately at best it comes across as a lot of gobbledy-gook meant to CYA. Sorry if that is too blunt, but that is what it amounts to. They think I’m a poor, benighted idiot for staying with the Church. “How can someone as intelligent as you are believe this?????????” I couldn’t care less that they think I’m a dolt, for itself, but if I am a dolt, then they ain’t coming closer to the Source of Dolt-ness (as they see me adhering to it) anytime soon. Tragic.

        Reply
    • He can be the “pope”, because Rome has lost the Faith and has become the Antichrist’s See.
      La Salette docet.

      Reply
      • I used to have to work overtime to understand the claims of sedevacantists. Now, I have to work overtime to not dive in.

        Reply
  16. I don’t exactly know whether I have to consider myself a “sedevacantist” or not. I obviously don’t have any authority to make an official statement about the situation in the Church. I just can’t see a big difference between a “no-pope”, an “antipope” or a real pope under satanic control, a pope close to freemasonry who is keeping on his daily fight against Our Lord. I just want to remain a Catholic as all my ancestors in my Diocese since St. Eusebius Bishop 1600 years ago, and most of all I hope to DIE as a Catholic with the assistance of Our Lady and St. Joseph.
    I think it is the time and moment for all the “four cats” Catholics to remain united in prayer and resistance against “papa Orgoglio” (Orgoglio = pride): a pope or not a pope? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t buy his used car, for sure!

    Reply
  17. The way the Vatican handles scandal…..ignore it when it’s someone they like. But when it’s someone they don’t like, they keep them embroiled in accusations, investigations, allegations and court proceedings or just transfer them out of the limelight.

    Reply
  18. A personal intervention by Pope Francis himself finally decided that matter, and very quickly, so that this beautiful dwelling then did not go to the assistant of Cardinal Müller, but fell, rather, into the hands of that curial secretary who afterwards turned it, together with his own friends – and, as it seems, also with the addition of some “rented boys” – into a nest for homosexual escapades and drug experiments. . . . and, so, what does any of this have to do with the whole LATER repulsive episode?

    The former entails no action or involvement whatsoever by His Holiness, the Pope, in the latter.

    2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury.278 He becomes guilty:
    – of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;
    – of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another’s faults and failings to persons who did not know them;279
    – of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them.
    2478 To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor’s thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way:
    Every good Christian ought to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to another’s statement than to condemn it. But if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. And if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved.
    2479 Detraction and calumny destroy the reputation and honor of one’s neighbor. Honor is the social witness given to human dignity, and everyone enjoys a natural right to the honor of his name and reputation and to respect. Thus, detraction and calumny offend against the virtues of justice and charity.

    In my humble opinion, Mr. Skojec violates the above moral principles on several occasions on this website. He should give himself over to a serious examination of Conscience.

    Reply
    • I know, Matthew! I mean it would be impossible for a pope to intervene here, to use his supreme authority to put an end to sodomic episodes occurring in the very territory over which he is sovereign. Why, any fool can understand that! Just because he is sole ruler of that territory doesn’t mean he could do anything to stop scandalous behavior or, after the fact, go after and punish those who knew about it and tolerated it. I mean, gee willikers, we can all see the pope is completely powerless to stop this scandalous and possibly criminal activity in the neighborhood of his residence. Right?

      Reply
        • Ah, your memory is better than mine. I’d forgotten all those full-blown sodomic Vatican orgies fueled with coke on John-Paul and Benedict’s watch. Silly me. But I do remember that many of us did criticize JP II for his loyalty to arch-criminal and sometime sodomite Marcial Maciel Degollado, founder of the Legion of Christ and the Regnum Christi movement. I also seem to remember that back then there were many Catholics not unlike yourself who “saw no evil, heard no evil, spoke no evil.” The three wise monkeys appear to have a perdurable home in the Catholic Church.

          Reply
  19. How about they just throw those bums out (no pun intended). These church “leaders” are totally feckless, care not for their vows, and a Great Cleansing needs to occur. THEY are killing this church more than any real threat throughout history.

    Reply
  20. It is relevant to report on jurisdiction in this regard. It is reported that this building straddles the border between Vatican City and Italy. The police were Vatican police under the control of the monarch who is Francis. One door opens in Italy and another opens in Vatican City. Italy would have to have evidence of trafficking in order to act. The “evidence” has been confiscated by the Vatican police. The troubling msgr. has been sent to a monastery for rehabilitation with no prison time in the offing unless sitting in a monastery would qualify.

    Reply

Leave a Comment

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

Popular on OnePeterFive

Share to...