On 11 September, Claudio Pierantoni – an Italian Catholic Church historian and philosopher from the University of Chile and an outspoken defender of Catholic orthodoxy – published an article in the German academic journal AEMAT; the title of his article – which is written in English – indicates its importance: “Josef Seifert, Pure Logic, and the Beginning of the Official Persecution of the Orthodoxy within the Church.” Sandro Magister, the well-respected Italian Vatican specialist, already published yesterday some excerpts of the article. Magister himself entitled his own post with the piercing words: “All the Reasons of Professor Seifert, Fired For Too Much Fidelity to the Church.” [my emphasis]
Since Professor Pierantoni’s essay is ten pages long, we thought to present to our readers some of his main thoughts that should be widely spread and discussed.
Let us first recall what Professor Seifert himself had pointed out in his recent essay. Professor Seifert had been dismissed by Archbishop Javier Martínez on 31 August 2017 from his position at the International Academy of Philosophy (IAP) in Granada, Spain, after he had published, in August, an essay where he pointed out the potentially dangerous teaching that can be found in paragraph 303 of Pope Francis’ Apostolic Exhortation, Amoris Laetitia. As Professor Seifert pointed out, that paragraph – which claims that, under certain circumstances, an objectively immoral situation can be “with a certain moral security” what “God himself is asking,” even if it is “yet not fully the objective ideal [according to the “overall demands of the Gospels”]” – could very well lead to moral relativism which would undermine the whole of the Church’s moral teaching.
Professor Pierantoni, in his own response, now praises Professor Seifert for exactly that analysis:
The whole of AL, and particularly Chapter viii, contains a number of discussed points, that many critics have even identified as heresies. However, in my view, the principal merit of Seifert’s short article has been to highlight, in this single sentence, what is by far its most profound weakness, a potential source of the destruction of the whole moral teaching of the Church and even of all natural Law. [my emphasis]
The conclusion of the argument of Amoris Laetitia would be that “God could be said to ask, under certain circumstances, any kind of evil action, thus contradicting all of his Ten Commandments and the whole of Natural Law.” As Pierantoni puts it:
It is a question of calling objectively good, (because God could certainly not ask something that is not objectively good) something that is objectively bad. [emphasis in the original]
Pierantoni himself adds that Amoris Laetitia introduces a direct contradiction into the “very foundations of Ethics,” namely by calling objectively good what it at same time calls objectively bad, “and thereby makes contradictory the relation between God and moral Law,” and “thus attacking the very notion of God Himself.” The Italian scholar takes his own moral stance and makes his own Catholic witness when he insists that, with Amoris Laetitia, “relativistic currents of thought and ‘situation ethics’, which the previous three Popes had tried hard to stop, have now surreptitiously entered the pages of an official papal document.” Professor Pierantoni also defends Professor Seifert by honoring him with the following words:
Things have thus reached the point that one of the most outstanding and lucid defenders of the previous Magisterium during more than three decades, personally supported and encouraged in his philosophical enterprise by St. John Paul II as one of his most precious allies in the defence of the infallible moral doctrine of the Church, Josef Seifert, is now dismissed and treated as an enemy of the communion of the same Church. [my emphasis]
Moreover, says Pierantoni, Seifert is not to be accused of “sowing distrust toward the successor of Peter” (in the words of Archbishop Javier Martínez), but it is the pope himself who is the cause of such distrust:
By allowing into an official document affirmations that are contradictory to essential points of the previous Magisterium, and of the millenary doctrine of the Church, Pope Francis has directly thrown upon himself the utter distrust of an immense number of faithful Catholics. The disastrous consequence is that distrust is thereby thrown, in the minds of many, upon the Papacy itself. [my emphasis]
Thus the problem is not “Seifert’s solid and consistent effort to oppose the error of situation ethics,” a work and commitment “to which he has devoted almost his entire life and that of the institution [IAP] he founded,” but “this very error, contrary to the whole Christian tradition” as it is to be found in Amoris Laetitia. As Professor Pierantoni argues, with reference to Pope Francis’ own words in paragraph 3 of Amoris Laetitia, this papal document has not issued a binding new doctrine. However, this does not mean that it does not contain a danger for the faithful. He says, as follows:
What we would like to add, however, is that although the true Magisterium of the Church can never itself be altered by what a Pope personally thinks and says, because it rests on Jesus Christ’s promise and protection, still, an erroneous personal opinion of the Pope can have devastating effects, mainly because many people, at all levels, will inevitably tend to make a confusion between “Magisterium” and “what the Pope says.” [my emphasis]
One of these devastating effects is the dismissal of Professor Seifert, as Professor Pierantoni points out: “Here, in fact, the Archbishop of Granada is officially persecuting a most orthodox Catholic thinker, precisely on the assumption that ‘what the Pope says’ in AL [chapter] viii is an act of the Magisterium.” He calls it an “official persecution based on a papal document.” While Pierantoni rebukes Archbishop Martínez for his “unjust punishment” of Professor Seifert, he also says that “we must in a sense be grateful to him.” Pierantoni adds the following trenchant words:
By officially punishing a Catholic thinker for the sole crime of being orthodox, he unwittingly confirms, and throws into clear relief, the practical schism we are suffering from in the Catholic Church, because of grave errors that have managed to creep into a papal document. [my emphasis]
It is now the situation, argues the author, that “a thinker who is a faithful defender of orthodoxy in Vaduz [Liechtenstein], can be punished in Granada as a menace to ecclesiastical communion and an enemy of the pope.” This situation “of course could not happen without the pope himself actively contributing to the confusion between the Magisterium and his private opinions.”
After these clear and strong words – and also after inviting our readers to savor Pierantoni’s essay as a whole – let us end this article with his own final words:
In the light of this, it is all the more necessary and urgent that some kind of “formal”, or, maybe better, “filial” correction to the Pope, finally appear. And may God grant the Holy Father an open heart to hear it.
This article has been updated.
Dear cardinals: publish the letter openly. It’s already written. Let’s get on with this.
Maybe it’s not planet X, or an asteroid, 3 days of darkness, or the oceans literally spilling over the continents that are the threat that will destroy millions. It’s the mother of all heresies, modernism, that is the reality behind the metaphor. AL is what truly cataclysmic. We don’t need “Niburu” when we have AL and this papacy.
At the same time, maybe man’s spiritual state and the state of the physical universe are connected, and you can’t separate one from the other, as we see in Genesis.
AL is chaos, and in Gen 1, God says to the oceans “this far and no farther”. If you remove the boundaries of fixed realities, the flood waters of chaos destroy. AL is essentially saying “let there be no boundaries”. AL is a cosmic undoing of creation.
Never have I read a more eloquent analysis of Amoris Laetitia and the gut-wrenching desolation of it. “A cosmic undoing of creation”–indeed! Why are so many so blind to this? This is seriously evil stuff. I’m in a perpetual state of disbelief that this is happening to the Church.
Sin blinds.
The Lord is more angry with the Church, especially the hierarchy, than with the rest of the world because “much is required of those to whom much is given.” He asks, “After more than a half century of this heresy, why have so very few, who label themselves faithful to Me, only now voice their opposition to the destructive revolution in My Church?”
1/2 a century of slow destruction and heresy in the church is now hopefully coming to an under Pope Francis.
“Coming to an under Pope Francis”? Is there a word missing here? If that word is “end”, then I think your mistaken. The Goal of Francis to wrap up what the commu-modernists started in the late 19th century and brought to a head and out of the xloset with V2 and that is the full destruction of the Catholic Faith.
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Amoris Laetitia – a spiritual Nibiru!
Eloquent and true, with this addition: when man attempts to undo creation, it is himself he undos instead.
I do believe that you have hit the nail on the head as far as Modernism is concerned. You can see it slithering along into the open light under the guise of “discernment” and “mercy”. It will be used to further destroy the family, objective truth and the dignity of life. Your references to Genesis brings out a parallel that is poignant! Thanks for your insightful comments.
Expect nothing from the cardinals. The vast majority of them is modernist.
“The vast majority of them is modernist.”
Sometimes I wonder if you could add queer to the list.
Certainly an effeminate bunch…so few willing to stand up for Christ.
The Cardinals just went into Chicago and met a Cubbie buzz saw. Somehow, I don’t think that those were the Cardinals to which you referred. Nevertheless, it is a much more pleasant topic when you talk about “birds of a feather”. A bunch of aggressive men who steal bases without sin compared to a bunch of hand holding privileged socialists who are committing acts of aggression with impunity which are sins in reality but not within their conscience.
Very nice metaphor my fair feathered friend.
Thx much, my fine weathered friend.
That’s exactly right.
Sometimes I wonder if the Pope himself is a sort of sedevacantist.
That is, in his view, the papacy doesn’t really exist at all in any way that is continuous with the history of the Church as a service to Our Blessed Lord and Mother Church, but rather is merely an earthly office ripe for the taking, and which he took!
If that is the case, We’re in the Biggest ” Constitutional ” and Spiritual Crisis ever.
Because that means Jesus was a…. Liar……
No
Hardly. Various Popes have had all sorts of opinions.
Take John XXIII for example. Didn’t he say {infallibly???} that he wasn’t infallible?
Pope Francis has said and demonstrated a remarkable emphasis on the diminution of the Papacy…at the same time as he consolidates the power thereof.
So it’s as if it doesn’t matter, except for the power part!
Not if Pope Francis is removed soon and a Traditional Cardinal or Bishop is installed. Than Our Lord will have kept His Promise.
Someone I know calls him the first papal sedevacantist. He doesn’t believe in being called the Pope (“Call me Jorge”) except when he’s ramming modernism down the throats of people making “magisterium” as he calls it.
The conspirators are trying to dissolve the Papacy through applying disappointment to everyone’s expectations of the Pope.
Clearly this is not a man who has seen seminary life in the last 45 years.
How do you mean ?
That the persecution of orthodoxy is not a particularly new phenomenon.
It’s a new phenomenon when taken to its current level, spearheaded by the purported Vicar of Christ and his odious cohorts.
I don’t purport to be a church historian, so it’s difficult for me to really say, but I fully agree with you that our current situation of papally promoted heteropraxy, so unnecessary and brought about by the most bewildering set of circumstances, can only be characterized as demoralizing in the extreme.
Neither I am a Church historicist, but if I would say the same sentence, I would replace two words; ‘heteropraxy & demoralizing’ with ‘heresy & demolishing’.
Has he been in an Ivory Tower? I’m on his side, but is he naive or is Bergoglioism a particularly virulent form of Modernism? I guess after reading Sarmaticus it is virulent Postmodernism because it is truly incoherent and chaotic.
“And may God grant the Holy Father an open heart to hear it” – well yes, but it would take a miracle, since the man is hell-bent on destroying the Church.
He is definitely “the great destroyer” of the vision of St. Francis of Assisi. He is tearing down the Church just the Marine Corps does with recruits. He will then create a new Church out of the ashes. It would be nice if he used morality and Scripture as building blocks.—There is no doubt of his “delusions of grandeur”. There is no speck, not even a speck, of humility in the man. Benedict made plenty of mistakes as every man does. Nevertheless, his humility was always evident.—-John Paul II always spoke in the name of Christ. When Francis came to the United Nations, he did not mention Christ once. If he does not represent the Christ, then there is only one other entity that he can be loyal to. —- He justified the act of Judas in selling out the Christ. It sure makes it look like he is selling out the Christ intentionally. It looks more and more that he does not believe in the Son of God.—-Fulton J. Sheen spoke vividly of the anti Christ. He said that he would carry a secret. The secret would be that he does not believe in God.
I’ve said pretty much the same a while ago, but then, there are lot of people who just don’t (wish to) believe in the truthfulness of the prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi. For this, no doubt he will create a new church (anti’church) out of the ashes, but we know that can never be smashed to ashes, thus he is building a parallel church (anti-church)…
As F. Sheen said indeed, about him, that you mentioned n your last sentence, I ask myself for a long time already, for who must this still be ‘a secret’ in the case of PF? A few days ago, again, he had an audience where he, again, said such thing as God is dreamer, and let’s dream together with God about a better world here and now…
Let us not be naïve. He is not in the barque of Peter by himself. There are things just now coming out in St. Louis where then Archbishop Raymond Burke was “run out of town” in 2008 in a secret deal with the Barry O crowd. This site had a recent article where it is alleged that Peter’s Pence gave 1M dollars to the Hillary campaign.
God help the American Catholic Church.
……..with many bishops helping him.
Am I right, when I recall that there may be circumstances where a simple commandment like ‘Thou shalt not steal’ may be contravened? For example if I am starving I am permitted to eat food which I find but which does not belong to me. As I remember (my catechism classes were around 70 years ago), you can even sneak into someone else’s house and take food in extreme neccessity.
You are correct. Natural law, reinforced by revealed law, recognizes the right to private property because its possession can — can — be an aid in the performance of our duties in the pursuit of salvation. But property is a means; it is not our proper end, who is God alone. It would clearly be an abuse of private property to withhold aid from a desperate person whom one’s in a position to assist without material harm or risk. This is a prudential matter of course, and cannot be invoked by third parties to justify sweeping and coercive political impositions. The principle endures nevertheless, that while the right to private property enjoys a strong presumption of validity, it is not absolute.
This thinking is what started this mess we are in. Christ was clear no one can teach us that’s it’s OK to steal regardless of the reason. This includes the clergy. They cannot tell us to break any of the commandments even the least commandment. Otherwise they have a millstone around their necks.
In those cases…I don’t believe it is, properly speaking, stealing.
It is stealing.
If the Evil Venezuelan government is stealing from you, then you can steal from the corrupt government.
Amoris Laetitia by pope Jorge justifies Adultery which is not the same as my example above.
Fine you can steal but than confess your sin to a priest the first chance you get.
Things that are intrinsically evil are never allowed, like adultery, abortion, sodo-unions.
“Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom”. Does this papacy fear God at all?
Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:
That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.
Novus Ordo Watch makes a point of using that part of scripture to argue for sedevacantism. But if the sedevacantists are right, then the Church as we know her IS NOT the guardian of the deposit of faith. In other words, Novus Ordo Watch argues that what is not the deposit of faith is subject to the operation of error. That’s really not worth mentioning at all, and therefore we should not expect that to be what Jesus is referring, as the sedevacantists argue.
Help me out here, but it seems like the “operation of error” would only be referring to the only infallible institution in the world, else it would not merit the warning.
What do you expect from this “pope” who is going celebrate Luther? Luther threw out 7 books of the Bible, attacked the Doctrine of Transubstantiation, rejected 5 Catholic Sacraments out of 7. Luther attacked the Priesthood. So the Popes from Leo X to Benedict XVI were wrong for letting Luther’s excommunication stand? SO POPE JORGE IS ABOVE THE WORD OF GOD & 2,000 YEARS OF CHURCH TEACHINGS?
Folks, this is PAPAL WORSHIPPING! This Disgusting Papacy has to come to an End!
The Bishop of South Carolina, Robert Guglielmone, will also be “Commemorating the Reformation” with a Lutheran “bishop” in Columbia, SC on Sun, Sept 17. What an absolute disgrace. Can you imagine? What has become of the Church? Goodness gracious.
I think a quote from the plain talking St. Padre Pio should be
spoken at these celebrations/commemorations. I believe it goes:
Luther is in hell and anyone who follows him will be there too.
“Satanas… per Mahumetum in Oriente, per Lutherum in Occidente, tantum incendium excitavit, quantum multis annis et magno labore restingui non poterit.” – St. Robert Bellarmin (Oratio in scholis habita)
St. Robert Bellarmin says at the beginning of IV. volume of its greatest works of De controversiis this:
“Lutherus abyssi clave infernalem puteum aperiret ac tetros inde errores, antiquarum haeresum colluviem, dogmata perniciosa, tartareaque deduceret. Atque hoc est quod sequitur in Apocalypsi: ‘Et aperuit puteum abyssi et ascendit fumus putei sicut fumus fornacis magnae et obscuratus est sol et aer de fumo putei.’ (Apoc. 9, 2)
Fumum istum, qui Lutheri casum consecutus est, plane est caecus et stupidus, qui non sentit. Antequam enim stella ista laberetur e coelo, totus ferme Occidens, vel potius Latina Ecclesia universa, uno Boemiae angulo excepto, ejusdem fidei et religionis erat, et quocumque aliquis iret fratres suos continuo agnoscebat. Siquidem omnes versabantur in lumine. Una erat omnium fides, eadem praedicatio, iidem ritus sacramentorum, eodem jejuniorum festorumque observatio. Non erat altare contra altare, nec domus contra domum, sed ubique ad unum atque idem sacrificium a sacerdotum Principe colligebamur, atque in unum ovile ab uno pastore congregabamur… At posteaquam stellae hujus fulgor in tenebras est plangenda conversione mutatus et abyssi clave puteum tenebrarum aperuit: tantus est fumus haeresum, schismatum, sectarum exortus, ut jam nec eadem provincia, nec in eadem civitate, vel domo, unus alium internoscat.”
https://books.google.hr/books?id=x7nSFQ9QBRUC&printsec=frontcover&hl=hr
As one who sometimes has trouble with English,would you kindly provide a translation of this quote from St. Robert Bellarmin?
Thank you.
I have trouble with both English and South Jersey which I was raised speaking. I am pretty good at North Idaho as I use it every day.
But as for Latin, it’s mostly Greek to me and tho I can pray the Pater Noster w/ the priest and the Ave Maria in my prayers, I get lost when it shifts to the weather and deep theology!! so…………….
IVAN.
GET US A TRANSLATION!!!
LOL
“Satan was through Muhammad in the East, and Luther in the West, ignited such a fire, which can not be restrained by many years and with great effort.” St. Robert Bellarmin (Oratio in scholis habita)
St. Robert Bellarmin at the beginning of IV. volume of its greatest works of “De controversiis” putted one of his speech in which he described all the evils and disasters that brought Luther’s “Deformation”. One of these evils is the destruction of the religious unity of Europe. Namely, before Deformation, the whole of Western Europe was Catholic. All were Catholics – from Sicily to Norway, from Lisbon to Warsaw. Despite all the shortcomings of that time, at least there was the unity of faith in the whole area. This European religious unity was destroyed by Luther’s deformation. Catholic theologians of that time largely thought that Luther was the fallen star of the book of Revelation. Like other Catholic writers, Bellarmin was convinced that Protestantism was the great evil that was announced with the fifth trumpet in the 9th chapter of the Revelation.
“And the fifth angel sounded the trumpet, and I saw a star fall from heaven upon the earth, and there was given to him the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit: and the smoke of the pit arose, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke of the pit.” (Rev 9,1-2)
This is what Bellarmin says in the mentioned speech in his work “De controversiis”:
“Luther, with the keys of abyss, opened hellishly bottomless, and from there he carried out terrible mischief, a mixture of old heresies, and the destructive and the tartar dogmas. And THAT is what follows in the Revelation: ‘And he opened the bottomless pit: and the smoke of the pit arose, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke of the pit.’ (Rev. 9: 2) That smoke which followed Luther’s fall; who does not feel it, is totally blind and stupid. For before this star came down from heaven, almost the whole West [“totus ferme Occidens”] or better, the entire Latin Church, with the exception of one corner of the Czech Republic, was of the same Faith and religion, and wherever someone went, there were everywhere your brothers. Indeed, they all walked in the light. There was the one faith, the same preaching, the same sacrament ceremony, the same obedience to the fasting and the feast days. There was not an altar against the altar, nor a house against the house, but everywhere we gathered to one and the same Sacrifice of the Supreme Priest, and gathered into one sheep cote of one Shepherd. And once the glitter of that star turned into the darkness, with that sad turn, and with the keys of abyss opened the bottomless pit, from there came out so much smoke of heresy, breakup, sectarianism, that no one in the same province or in the same town or home recognizes one man of the another.”
As for the so-called. religious freedom, there is no doubt for St. Robert Bellarmin:
“libertas credendi = libertas errandi”,
or “Sicut non permittitur ovibus libertas vagandi per montes” (“As for the sheep is not allow the freedom to roam the mountains.”)
Btw. The Saint of September 17, (this very day) is St Robert Bellarmin.
http://jceworld.blogspot.nl/2017/09/saint-september-17-st-robert-bellarmine.html
https://www.google.nl/search?client=opera&hs=wKw&q=robert+bellarmine+books&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3spqLoazWAhWIblAKHTDcBp4Q1QIIqgEoAw&biw=1310&bih=761
Ooh…Thank you for mentioning that today is the feast of St. Robert Bellarmine. (He’s one of the patron saints of my nephew.)
On the Byzantine calendar, today is the feast of St. Sophia and her three daughters Faith, Hope and Charity (no kidding – that’s their real names!).
May St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Sophia and her three daughters Faith, Hope and Charity intercede for all of us.
5x AMEN! For your last sentence Margaret.
And yes I know what the wonderfully names the daughters of St. Sophia are.
In fact, with some other sisters and brothers Catholics I try to read and share daily the biographies of our beloved Saints like here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+DonQuijotNL/posts/Bh2wiDCSR4o, and here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+DonQuijotNL/posts/VUshzTFsd1h: on this topic: https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/111363048668384496384/stream/5ceb6cf4-e1ff-481c-b2a6-593288be7a07
Thank you for the links. I’ll check them out as soon as I post this and get back to you re the links.
Thank you. And, please do that. It works very well with that small ‘translate’ button of G+. 🙂
The first and third links came up and I used Google Translate, but there wsee some terms that were left in Croatian. The second link did not work out at all.
From what I saw, it seems that Croatian is similar to Old Slavonic.
Thank you for that.
Very powerful stuff.
And isn’t it interesting that the errors that are so loudly proclaimed among the heretics today all support Luther and Muhammad!!
Interesting, yes. Surprising? Not at all. Regardless of all the differences between all of them, they all serve one and the same leader – prince of this world.
Bingo! Interesting indeed.
“libertas credendi = libertas errandi” (sic)
That’s fantastic! I love it!
http://disq.us/p/1m8l827
How refreshingly forthright.
I did not think much of him when I lived in South Carolina and now, if possible, I think even less of him!
I would tell him (Googlemane):
“DON’T FORGET TO TURN BEFORE YOU BURN”
You have to understand the logistics in regard to your statement. At one time specifically when I was stationed on the Charleston Naval Base, the Diocese of South Carolina was under the jurisdiction of Bishop Wuerl of Pittsburgh. You also have to know that there are only 2% Catholics in South Carolina at least half of whom are still Filippino naval personnel.—Presently, South Carolina is under the jurisdiction of the Archdiocese of Atlanta and their liberal African-American bishop Wilton Gregory who came from Belleville, Illinois.. When Margaret Mitchell who wrote “Gone With the Wind” died, she left her estate to the Archdiocese of Atlanta. Gregory had it torn down and then another one built which was twice as big. He then moved his headquarters into the building. The good people of Atlanta revolted and he was forced to move back out and then to turn the complex into archdiocesan meeting halls. He was sending a message to African-Americans that the white aristocracy was now put in its place which was now subservient to the new Catholic elite.—-One of the Ks in KKK was for “Katholics”. The Church was justified in defending itself. Now, the Church in the South has moved way to the left and is hiding behind a new structural elite which will spearhead a new socialist society which will destroy any and all vestiges which remain of the Old South.
What has become of the Church?
Spirit of Vatican ll
Luther also defiled a nun.
Broke an oath before God and man to do it, too.
But then so did she.
As an aside, I’ve forgotten —
what is the date of this papal-Lutheran co-celebration to occur?
Well, something is going to happen in October 2017.
You betcha!
I believe Reformation Day is ‘celebrated’ 31 October. Not sure if the Church will stoop to honour that day specifically.
I thought Francis was going to go con-celebrate a Lutheran service or was that last year’s thing? So much has been happening that I’ve lost track.
I believe Reformation Day is ‘celebrated’ every day in the Roman rite ever since Vatican ll was implemented.
All Hallow’s Eve (October 31).
Hallowern. Well, that’s an indictment if I ever heard one!
Interestingly, there is another, but then real reformatory, and real saint whose feastday is on that very day. And guess what, he comes from place Regensburg from country that we know now as Germany! H. Wolfgang von Regensburg. Should we not all together pray for his intercession?! Especially on that very day, 31.10.2017. See: http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=2049 and https://www.heiligenlexikon.de//BiographienW/Wolfgang.html
The persecution actually began about 50 years ago.
Right about the time Paul VI said to Lefebvre….”you celebrate that old Mass and I’ll kick your butt.”
Hah! I was thinking the same thing. But Fr. Feeney was thinking it in about 1949, when Cardinal Cushing silenced him, and later in about 1952, when he was excommunicated for disobeying a transfer order. Overkill.
If Paul VI already then has used exact that word “OLD” for the only real and true Holy Mass, that speaks more than thousand words.
He was “suspended a divinis” but that was like Pope Liberius “excommunicating” St. Athanasius.
Oh Lord, deliver us from Pope Francis!
May the Faithful Cardinals and Bishops give the Lord assistance in delivering us from Pope Francis!
If Amoris is so “ambiguous” and the only problem with it is the way it is being “interpreted,” then what–even in theory–could be wrong with the Seifert take? One opinion about what Chapter 8 “seems to” be saying would be just as good as any other, would it not?
Only, it isn’t.
Therefore, pure logic dictates that there can be no more nonsense about “giving the Pope the benefit of the doubt,” nor of “reading the apostolic exhortation in continuity with the constant Magisterium of the Church,” either. What has been perfectly evident from the get-go is now beyond all dispute, and anyone who denies it can no longer do so in good faith. Amoris was meant to be the proverbial “camel’s nose under the tent,” and now that the machinations long planned have been set in motion at last, the Modernists behind them are not about to let puny little considerations like fairness, facts, or internal consistency stand in their way..
Jorge Bergoglio has not answered the questions put to him by the Dubia Cardinals, but I–least and worst though I am–will take up the gauntlet he has thrown in the path of every person committed by Baptism to die and rise with Christ.
To Bergoglio (as to all who hold and teach that divinization is but a figure of speech), I give here and now, in honor of Our Lady of Sorrows, the only answer possible:
Anathema sit!
I am sure it must have brought immediately to your mind, as it did mine, what Paul says in Galatians Ch 1: “For even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel not in accord with the one delivered to you, let a curse be upon him!” (Let him be anathema)
Also brings to mind a prophecy made by Our Lady at Akita on October 13, 1973:
“The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres…churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.”
As most of this persecution and promotion of heterodoxy seems to have the queer cabal behind it, there must surely be some suspicions about Archbishop Martineau and his bona fides or lack thereof. Does anybody know if there are allegations of this sort against him?
Wow, see there are good Catholics still here in Chile. Quite surprising to say the least, as Chileans think of themselves as the step children of the Liberation Theology (which it is neither) crowd.
One has to wonder how quick the good professor will be excommunicated as well here in Chile but the tradition hating crowd in charge here?
Keep in mind that Chile is NO bastion of Orthodoxy or Tradition. There is the SSPX here in Chile and effectively there is regularly the Latin Mass in only ONE place in the whole country that is
2670 miles long. ONE PLACE. ONE TRADITIONAL MASS.
Keep praying and I will since I live in Chile with NO Mass.
This ought to be easy for all the experts here: when Scripture says that God said “I will be a deceiving spirit…” or “I will send them a powerful delusion…”, is it not making the case in question?
St. Athanasius who was excommunicated by Pope Liberius became the 1st Doctor of the Catholic Church and who was known as the Father of Orthodoxy stated “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops.”
Matters have come to this pass: the people have left their houses of prayer and assembled in the deserts, — a pitiable sight; women and children, old men, and men otherwise infirm, wretchedly faring in the open air, amid most profuse rains and snow-storms and winds and frosts of winter; and again in summer under a scorching sun. To this they submit because they will have no part of the wicked Arian leaven.
– St. Basil the Great; Epistulae 242, 376 AD.
“Who is going to save our Church? Not our Bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to the people. You have the minds, the eyes, the ears to save the Church. Your mission is to see that your priests act like priests, your bishops like bishops and your religious act like religious” – Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
The proposition that the commandments of God are impossible to observe even for a man who is justified and established in grace was solemnly condemned by the Council of Trent, but Amoris Laetitia seems to say that it is not always possible — or even advisable — to follow the moral law.
Marvelous post. It’s going into my favorite 1P5 posts file.
“The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of priests with Bishops as their signposts.”
Let us rejoice in the current persecution of orthodoxy. If the experience of St Athanasius teaches us anything it teaches that persecution is but a prelude to victory. The current modernist ascendency will ultimately prove as fruitless as it is faithless.
I do believe this. The question is only the degree of persecution before the victory.
Wasn’t it Hilaire Belloc who said that persecution is the fifth mark of the Church?
I have said it before but shall say it again: If this latest scandal has your rapt attention, boy oh boy, just you wait till the end of October arrives along with Pope Francis’ celebration of the 500th anniversary of Luther’s “95 Theses”! All the surprising twists and turns of this papacy have been mere prolegomena for what’s coming to a theater near you then.
IOW: You ain’t seen nothin’ yet, friends.
I’m afraid you are right.
I half expect him to petition for ordination as a Lutheran pastor and maybe add honorary status as an Imam to boot.
Your last sentence may be the understatement of the year.
Lord, have mercy!
Ecumenism is tired and needs a good showing of the door.
Dear Readers/writer, of course! One does not need to be a rocket scientist or theologian of special letters to know that the smoke of the liar has been within our Holy Church. Common sense tells us that where there is smoke, then there is fire, too. O Jesus forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of . . .!
There is only one solution: The consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, by the pope and all the Catholic bishops of our planet to be accomplished on the same day within the same hour.
Ad Jesus per Mariam.
JAMLY,
hobo
Unfortunetely the crisis will get worse. They will deny the Real Presence of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Most Holy Communion. Read the mesages of Our Lady of Anguera (Bahia, Brazil) and the mesages of Our Lady to Father Gobbi. We must pray, do penance and sacrifice ourselves to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and Imaculate Heart of Mary!
This type of atmosphere did not just materialize out of thin air. Its cultivation was the direct result of the post-conciliar rapid change throughout the Church which gave precedent for continuing that change as time marches on. Anyone who stands in the way of such change, starting from the glorious mid-20th century, must be removed. You can thank, in part, your new Papal pseudo-saints (and blessed) for this mess as they promulgated and continued most of the destruction. Let’s stop playing pretend with the recent papal leadership in the Church, as if Francis is suddenly the crisis starting point and men like JPII are some kind of heroic beacons of orthodoxy we wish to return. Francis is the next logical step in the deterioration.
With the pandemic hoax of covid now the Church has excellerated the persecution by making people comply with the Demonic restrictions. You can’t attend Mass or receive the sacraments unless you worship the virus. And now with the abortion tainted “vaccines”.